Proposal: NYI-CHI (Draft pick swap)

[KarlssonsGroin]

If they don't want Schaefer (thus trading down), couldn't you just pick him at #2? They'll just grab Misa. Save your assets.

theoretically yes. if they dont want schaefer and are happy with Hagens and will trade to 3 with chicago who would take schaefer, wed give up an asset or two to prevent that.

 

[Drake1588]

Obviously, teams can have different evaluations of players... but the consensus has seemed to be building around Schaefer as the No. 1 for a while now.

Target SJ, I guess. They need defense badly and have lots of recently-drafted futures to try and secure as the sweetener. Chicago's needs at the position are less urgent, and landing the #2 lets the Islanders pick the forward of its choice.

Yet I think the better play here is to draft the guy who projects as the rare gem of a No. 1 defenseman. They take time to develop and the current state of the Islanders' blueline will be irrelevant by the time he's a difference maker. Positional need, or birthplace, will hopefully not be a factor here in NYI's decision, especially as a new management team may be making the call.

 

[boredmale]

If Chicago or SJ don't want to give up assests(or at least 2-3 assets) their is always the possibility they could take one of Duclair or Engvall at negative value(like a mid to late 2nd) instead of one of the picks it would take

 

[Tres Peleches]

Unlikely.
If I'm GM and a head scout finds the top 3 all the same, I'm firing the head scout. It's their job to have an opinion, and this isn't some random 5th rounders, but a handful of players forming the very top layer of the draft. That scouting team had better have an opinion.

From my understanding, Hagens is the clear-cut #3 with Schaeffer 1 and the other guy (his name escapes me, my bad) being 2

HOWEVER, Hagens is also a local Long Island kid who grew up a huge Islanders fan which would be a big draw locally

So the other two players may be actually better players, but Hagens is damn good in his own right AND has ties to the area

 

[TLEH]

From my understanding, Hagens is the clear-cut #3 with Schaeffer 1 and the other guy (his name escapes me, my bad) being 2

HOWEVER, Hagens is also a local Long Island kid who grew up a huge Islanders fan which would be a big draw locally

So the other two players may be actually better players, but Hagens is damn good in his own right AND has ties to the area

There is no clear cut #3.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Islanders want more.

If they want to trade it, they shouldn't drop below 2.

Misa, or Schaefer are who you want.

If this draft had even a bit more skill Hagens is outside the top 10.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Nashville had something like that, weren't able to win a cup though. End of the day, as good as your defense is, you still need offense.

Misa projects as a 1C with a strong 2-way game. Can never have too many 1C caliber players either

Misa projects as a 1W/2C

 

[hawksrule]

We’re far deeper with defensemen than at forward, but easily accept this trade.

 

[Konk]

Isles fans have been abused for so long and have abandonment issues because of JT. As a result, they want to push away the next elite talent to fall into their laps before he gets a chance to hurt them again so that's where these trade down ideas are coming from. Typical abuse victims.

It'll be ok, fellow Islander fans. It's time to heal. Keep the pick, take Schaefer, and begin the healing process.

 

[periferal]

lol why would islanders do this. The hawks traded more to the islanders to move from 20 to 18.

Exactly.

And this is a Hawks fan saying this.

If trade out of the #1 overall pick even 1 spot you need to get back as close to a surefire and impact asset as possible. I'm talking about a future 1st round pick or a very good prospect.

 

[gary559]

I think Chicago would be content drafting at 3, still guaranteed that Misa or Hagens is available at that spot.

 

[SI90]

I think Chicago would be content drafting at 3, still guaranteed that Misa or Hagens is available at that spot.

Chicago going Martone

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Misa projects as a 1W/2C

Yeah the guy with the most OHL points in his draft year since Tavares and Kane, who played on a weak 2 man team, who is 6'1 with a strong 2-way game, is projected to be a winger or 2C at best. Tell me you don't know anything about this draft class without telling me you don't know anything about this draft class

 

[BHFAN92]

I dont understand as Blackhawks fan why Islanders would want out of #1 but sure I will bite. Blackhawks get #1 and Islanders get #3, Toronto 2025 1st, 1 of Nolan Allen, Wyatt Kaiser, or Ethan Del Maestro. Blackhawks draft Matthew Schaefer and have future D Core of Vlasic/Levshunov, Schaefer/Rinzel, Korchinski/Kaiser

 

[miscs75]

I dont understand as Blackhawks fan why Islanders would want out of #1 but sure I will bite. Blackhawks get #1 and Islanders get #3, Toronto 2025 1st, 1 of Nolan Allen, Wyatt Kaiser, or Ethan Del Maestro. Blackhawks draft Matthew Schaefer and have future D Core of Vlasic/Levshunov, Schaefer/Rinzel, Korchinski/Kaiser

Those 3 don’t even remotely move the needle in terms of prospects.

 

[BHFAN92]

Those 3 don’t even remotely move the needle in terms of prospects.

understood..which is why I said why would Isles make this move. Chicago isn't giving up A+ prospects to move up two spots. OP said a 2nd rd pick. I upgraded that to an additional 1st rd pick and prospect

 

[miscs75]

understood..which is why I said why would Isles make this move. Chicago isn't giving up A+ prospects to move up two spots. OP said a 2nd rd pick. I upgraded that to an additional 1st rd pick and prospect

Rather have the additional picks than the career minor league defenseman.

 

[TLEH]

Rather have the additional picks than the career minor league defenseman.

Don't care to trade up but none of those three guys are career minor league defenseman.

 

[WangMustGo]

I dont understand as Blackhawks fan why Islanders would want out of #1 but sure I will bite. Blackhawks get #1 and Islanders get #3, Toronto 2025 1st, 1 of Nolan Allen, Wyatt Kaiser, or Ethan Del Maestro. Blackhawks draft Matthew Schaefer and have future D Core of Vlasic/Levshunov, Schaefer/Rinzel, Korchinski/Kaiser

They don’t. It’s just some isles fans with a weird fascination for Hagens because he is from Long Island. Thankfully I don’t think any GM would care where a player was from and would just take BPA (Schaefer obviously) unless a team had some insane offer for the pick.

 

[BHFAN92]

Rather have the additional picks than the career minor league defenseman.

ya clearly you havent watched Blackhawks. those are not career minor league guys all could easily be middle 2 pairing type guys

 

[n8]

theoretically yes. if they dont want schaefer and are happy with Hagens and will trade to 3 with chicago who would take schaefer, wed give up an asset or two to prevent that.

Also, didn't Grier float the "1OA is for sale" advert a few weeks ago? Wouldn't that suggest they aren't THAT high on Schaefer or maybe he is playing his GMMG chess.

 

[TGWL]

Terrible for NYI. They are taking who they want and won't leave it up to another team potentially passing on whoever is in their plans.

 

[miscs75]

ya clearly you havent watched Blackhawks. those are not career minor league guys all could easily be middle 2 pairing type guys

The 3 also don’t fix the Islanders need of high end talent on offense.

 

[kmwtrucks]

i think its way more likely that NYI would trade with SJ then Chicago. you cannot trade down and then possibly not get your guy. but how about a 3 team trade.

NYI hagens #28 #33 from SJ and #34 from Chicago
SJ gets scaefer
chicago gets MISA

 

[Brodeur]

So #1 for #3 + #60? If you’re gonna move down from 1, you at least gotta get another 1st.

Depends on the draft year. The handful of times we've seen somebody trade out of #1 (Rick Dudley), they still got their intended target but didn't land an amazing package to move out. This isn't quite like the NFL.

1999: Tampa eventually traded #1 to Vancouver for #4, #75, and #88. Dudley kept things close to the vest but said that they would have taken Pavel Brendl had they kept the pick. He was hoping Brian Burke would improve on his fairly meager offer. Simultaneously Dudley shopped the pick for multiple pieces and eventually found a taker with the Rangers who also wanted Brendl. So since he was just acting as a middle man to deliver Brendl, Dudley accepted Burke's offer on the morning of the draft. Burke didn't know it, but he could have stayed put and gotten the Sedins at #3 and #4.

2002: Dudley was now GM of the Panthers. They were all set to take Jay Bouwmeester at #1. Columbus was set to take Rick Nash at #3 but suddenly got spooked when Philadelphia traded up to #4 on draft day. They were worried that Philadelphia could trade up to #2 to snipe Nash which would leave Columbus picking between a goalie they didn't need (Lehtonen) or a D (Pitkanen) that they didn't love. Dudley got creative and agreed to swap with Columbus for the right to swap picks in 2003. Essentially Columbus used its lottery odds as an asset. Florida then gave Atlanta a third round pick to pass on Bouwmeester at #2. In the end Florida won the 2003 lottery with its own odds so Columbus ended up giving nothing to secure Nash.

2003: Florida had the #1 pick and had Nathan Horton ranked as their top guy. Dudley was borderline shameless trying to publicly build up a bidding war between Carolina and Pittsburgh. In the end he accepted a forgettable deal from Pittsburgh: #1 and #73 for #3, #55, and Mikael Samuelsson.

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Other similar deals:

1993: San Jose traded #2 to Hartford for #6, #45, #58, and Sergei Makarov. Sharks room was split but eventually co-GM Chuck Grillo steered them to take Viktor Kozlov. Co-GM Dean Lombardi negotiated the trade down that was contingent on them still landing Kozlov.

1998: San Jose traded #2 and #85 to Nashville for #3 and #29. San Jose had just drafted Patrick Marleau the previous year so they were looking for a defenseman. Meanwhile Nashville was in its first draft and wanted a (perceived high scoring) forward to sell as the face of the franchise.

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If the Islanders were truly interested in trading down, they probably could get a better package than the OP suggests since San Jose or Utah could conceivably have interest which would drive up the price.