Proposal: NYI - CBJ blockbuster

[3074326]

You’re forgetting Voronkov who’s better than both Sillinger and Jiricek

True, I did forget. I liked Sillinger + Jiricek for Dobson so much that my brain stopped functioning.

 

[Glorydays22]

As I’m hearing more and more from the NYI fans these two might become available and the team is heading into a rebuild, while Columbus seems to have been going in circles collecting picks and prospects, I think it’s time to make a splash and acquire star talent what will rejuvenate the franchise and finish the rebuild.

Columbus trades its best defensive prospect in Jiricek as there’s reports of his rep team and CBJ management having some disagreement regarding his ice time.

Jackets also add a mid 6 center / winger Cole Sillinger who fits really well into the Isles gritty style and the biggest addition of all, no pun intended - the young 6’5 power forward Dmitry Voronkov who possesses both grit and skill. It’s extremely hard to give up on him but the emergence of Olivier should help healing the hole in our bottom 6.

Finally, Columbus adds a 3rd round pick as a sweetener.

Jackets get a dream first pairing of Dobson and Werenski and a great center for KJ and Fantilli making the top 6 of

Marchenko - Monahan - Chinakhov
KJ - Barzal - Fantilli


David Jiricek RHD
Cole Sillinger C/W
Dmitry Voronkov RW
CBJ 3rd round pick


Matt Barzal C
Noah Dobson RHD

not even close...

 

[LeapOnOver]

If Lou is canned and Isles actually do go into a rebuild, there's a 1st round draft pick coming back no matter what. This trade is not enough to remotely consider and they'll have better offers than that. My guess is they would move them separately to maximize value.

But, why trade your best young pieces for a rebuild, lol? Islanders go into rebuild mode it'll be moving Palmeiri, Nelson and Lee (maximizing on the latter's resurgence) for draft picks. Not moving those two.

 

[biturbo19]

the perception of sillinger is skewed by his sophomore season (as a 19-year-old) where he had an impossibly low shooting percentage and really struggled. he bounced back well enough last year and looks a lot better this year.

based on my viewings this year, he looks like a long-term 2C who is maybe more of a plus 3C on a really deep team. but he's shown this year that he can take tough matchups, play PK + PP, and even play wing when asked.

Sillinger has yet to really show "2C" sort of production and he also hasn't shown anything that looks like "plus 3C" defensive impact. He's also been granted some pretty quality offensive minutes at times, so it's not strictly "lack of opportunity" holding him back. I mean, you can "project" that, but i haven't seen a lot that indicates that is his trajectory. Bounce back from a fairly disastrous season? Sure...and he is still young. But the "value" of guys who are on track to be a "low end 2C tweener" who isn't built to be a high-end 3C is just...not very high.

jiricek is still just 20, and was the AHL rookie of the year at 18. he's coming up in rumors for a reason, but I don't think it has anything to do with his long-term projection. seems to me like waddell still wants to make some big changes, and jiricek is the best tool to utilize for that.

generally speaking, when a team decides to do a tear-down, they get much better overall returns by dealing their stars separately.

if both guys became available, I'd be very keen on trying to push for both of them. but I think it would have to be something like:

• CBJ gets
  • Barzal
  • Dobson (extended)
• NYI gets
  • Jiricek
  • one of Sillinger / Voronkov
  • one of Dumais / Del Bel Belluz
  • 2025 CBJ 1st round pick (with protections)
  • whatever 1st round pick they end up getting for provorov

so, two young roster players with high draft pedigrees at premium positions, a good complimentary prospect, a potential top-10 pick and another late 1st. that's what I assume it would take to make a full tear-down appealing for NYI.

on the flip side, though, maybe I'm overvaluing those pieces because if Dobson gets something like $9m x 8 years that'd be about $126m in future commitments off the NYI books. cap space is a valuable commodity.

I still like Jiricek as a prospect...but at this point, you're absolutely ecstatic if he comes out nearly as good as Dobson. He's never gonna have that same offense, maybe he ends up better defensively, but Dobson is also still young and still growing as a player. He's got a ton of offensive impact and better "tools" than Jiricek at pretty much every turn.

Yes, he's going to be expensive. But players like Dobson are the sort of impact ones that you're happy to pay.

to OP's point, Voronkov is probably a much more valuable piece in NHL front offices than he is with the general public. he's 6'5, 240 pounds, mean, can play center, has good scoring touch and shockingly good hands/playmaking instincts. and he's still young + cheap on top of that.

This is probably very true, to an extent. Voronkov is the type of piece that tends to be valued extremely highly, particularly by playoff teams. But at the end of the day...what's his real "upside" or "ceiling"? Worth a top pick+ or top prospect+ to a playoff team if the Jackets decided to move him for some reason? Absolutely. But that only goes so far...when the conversation is about true "impact players" like a PPG top line C/W and a 24 year old 6'4" 70pt big minutes RHD.


Especially if we're talking about the proposed deal here...where it'd be a team presumably trying to reset/reload. If the Isles are moving these two...they're going to be years away from contending again. At which point, Voronkov will be a lot less young and cheap by the time those things actually matter.

 

[biturbo19]

This is mostly because of the fact that Jackets players are relatively unknown for outsiders. Voronkov was 7th in rookie scoring last season (on par with Knies) along with his unique size and skill. Sillinger is young but already an NHL regular with many games and Jiricek is still one of the best defensive prospects in the game

I don't think that's really what it is here. I think Voronkov is pretty well known amongst educated fans. He's huge and hard to miss...but i'm not sure Knies is really in the sort of ballpark that gets this package over the line either. Good, cheap young player, and having the sort of start to his current season that suggests he's probably got more "upside" or a higher "ceiling" than Voronkov from a scoring standpoint.


Sillinger is...well...he's been an "NHL regular", but he's been that on one of the worst teams in the league and has had some serious up and downs in that time as well. That's not exactly a bragging point. Sillinger being an "NHL regular" is part of why the Blue Jackets have struggled to gain any real traction during his years.


Jiricek is still very much a top prospect, but he's been far from smooth sailing either and frankly, i think the price for either of Barzal/Dobson individually pretty much starts with that caliber of prospect as the absolute bare minimum starting point. With some very substantial futures+++ addition, especially on Dobson.

 

[Viqsi]

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with the general consensus that while there is value coming from the Jackets here, by itself it doesn't accomplish what the Islanders would need to accomplish if they were moving the two. They would insist on the 1st in some capacity and they would be right to do so. And I don't want us giving that up, so, agree to walk away from this one.

 

[mydnyte]

As I’m hearing more and more from the NYI fans these two might become available and the team is heading into a rebuild, while Columbus seems to have been going in circles collecting picks and prospects, I think it’s time to make a splash and acquire star talent what will rejuvenate the franchise and finish the rebuild.

Columbus trades its best defensive prospect in Jiricek as there’s reports of his rep team and CBJ management having some disagreement regarding his ice time.

Jackets also add a mid 6 center / winger Cole Sillinger who fits really well into the Isles gritty style and the biggest addition of all, no pun intended - the young 6’5 power forward Dmitry Voronkov who possesses both grit and skill. It’s extremely hard to give up on him but the emergence of Olivier should help healing the hole in our bottom 6.

Finally, Columbus adds a 3rd round pick as a sweetener.

Jackets get a dream first pairing of Dobson and Werenski and a great center for KJ and Fantilli making the top 6 of

Marchenko - Monahan - Chinakhov
KJ - Barzal - Fantilli


David Jiricek RHD
Cole Sillinger C/W
Dmitry Voronkov RW
CBJ 3rd round pick


Matt Barzal C
Noah Dobson RHD

OMG Isles get destroyed in this deal. that package will get you Dobson OR Barzal and a filler

 

[SteelCityCannon]

Im a big Sillinger guy but id package him with Jiricek to get Dobson. Barzal would obviously be an upgrade but I don't think there's a fit there.

 

[Schemp]

Im a big Sillinger guy but id package him with Jiricek to get Dobson. Barzal would obviously be an upgrade but I don't think there's a fit there.

I like it in the sense that it would free up Provorov to Utah, maybe a 3 way that includes Utah with Dobson going to Columbus. Any suggestions?

 

[cbjthrowaway]

I like it in the sense that it would free up Provorov to Utah, maybe a 3 way that includes Utah with Dobson going to Columbus. Any suggestions?

the normal version of this is columbus getting a 1st from utah for provorov, then flipping that + sillinger to get dobson.

the unhinged message board poster version is something like this:

Team	Gives	Gets
NYI	Dobson Barzal	Jiricek Voronkov Crouse Svozil 2025 1st (Utah) 2026 2nd (Utah)
CBJ	Jiricek Voronkov Provorov (50%) Svozil	Dobson Maccelli
UTA	Crouse Maccelli 2025 1st 2026 2nd (one of 3)	Barzal Provorov (50%)

 

[SteelCityCannon]

the normal version of this is columbus getting a 1st from utah for provorov, then flipping that + sillinger to get dobson.

the unhinged message board poster version is something like this:

Team	Gives	Gets
NYI	Dobson Barzal	Jiricek Voronkov Crouse Svozil 2025 1st (Utah) 2026 2nd (Utah)
CBJ	Jiricek Voronkov Provorov (50%) Svozil	Dobson Maccelli
UTA	Crouse Maccelli 2025 1st 2026 2nd (one of 3)	Barzal Provorov (50%)

I would really pound the table to figure out a way to do this without Voronkov, but I dig the idea. Not sure what the other 2 teams would think.

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

Voronkov was 7th in rookie scoring last season

Is this supposed to be impressive?

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Is this supposed to be impressive?

considering he wasn't playing big minutes and was on a team that was completely inept offensively (particularly on the power play), yes.

if voronkov played in toronto last year instead of columbus he would've gotten insane amounts of hype. he's a 6'5 240 pound center with scoring touch and soft hands. he's awesome.

 

[miscs75]

the normal version of this is columbus getting a 1st from utah for provorov, then flipping that + sillinger to get dobson.

the unhinged message board poster version is something like this:

Team	Gives	Gets
NYI	Dobson Barzal	Jiricek Voronkov Crouse Svozil 2025 1st (Utah) 2026 2nd (Utah)
CBJ	Jiricek Voronkov Provorov (50%) Svozil	Dobson Maccelli
UTA	Crouse Maccelli 2025 1st 2026 2nd (one of 3)	Barzal Provorov (50%)

Isles would pass on this. Crouse isn’t of interest to me personally.

 

[FerrisRox]

David Jiricek RHD
Cole Sillinger C/W
Dmitry Voronkov RW
CBJ 3rd round pick


Matt Barzal C
Noah Dobson RHD

I don't think this is even remotely close to fair value for the Islanders.

This seems to be off by a significant amount.

Well, I’m following the threads some NYI fans created where they’re claiming both Barzal and Dobson are possibly available and they’re starting a rebuild. Typically you acquire blue chip prospects and picks when rebuilding

Okay, but being "available" doesn't mean they want to trade them at ten cents on the dollar.

If Barzal is available, there are a ton of teams that would be very excited to get their hands on a centre like him. The price would be much higher.

(Also, it's crazy you have Barzal playing behind Monahan. That's just silly.)

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Isles would pass on this. Crouse isn’t of interest to me personally.

fair enough, maybe swapping crouse and maccelli (so maccelli goes to NYI and crouse goes to CBJ) would work?

 

[SteelCityCannon]

I don't think this is even remotely close to fair value for the Islanders.

This seems to be off by a significant amount.



Okay, but being "available" doesn't mean they want to trade them at ten cents on the dollar.

If Barzal is available, there are a ton of teams that would be very excited to get their hands on a centre like him. The price would be much higher.

(Also, it's crazy you have Barzal playing behind Monahan. That's just silly.)

I'm not terribly interested in him, but what would your ideal trade package for him look like? Not even from the Jackets just in general.

 

[miscs75]

fair enough, maybe swapping crouse and maccelli (so maccelli goes to NYI and crouse goes to CBJ) would work?

Still not really interested in the pieces offered. It’s a 4 steps back to go 2 forward for the Isles. Would CBJ take an equivalent package for Fantilli and Wetenski? I doubt it.

 

[ViD]

Is this supposed to be impressive?

Yes, he’s a power forward and he played less games than other rookies and for a terrible offensive team