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Pre-Game Talk: NY Rangers 1/8/14, Dwight King, 1st Line LW

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Jeff18 said:
King on the first line. 3 goals in the last 2 games, +3, 9 shots. Why not?
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Similar to the stats he had last year when he played about 15 games with Kopitar. the common dominator is Kopitar. ONce DK moved back down, the points did as well.

Being big and having pucks bounce off you into the net is not a skillset. King is a big bodied bottom 6 winger. But Sutter thinks he's a top 6 player and continues to put him there.
No harm in that short term, Gabby and Kopi drive the line ,he doesn't bring the skill they do, but he doesn't add to the line , compliment it the way a true top 6 winger would.
And he'll pull out the line blender by the next game anyway most likely.
Kings have been getting calls about DK, East Coast teams looking for his size for their bottom 6. This showcases him a bit to scouts as well.
 
KBA4life said:
Historically, Gaborik has had his best years playing RW, correct?

Might be worth it to give it a go. Why the hell not at this point
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I've kinda wondered that too. At one point earlier this year he had Pearson playing on the right side. You'd think if you were going to put a lefty on the right side, put the one that prefers to be on that side.
 
Cruel11 said:
Why have i not seen this before? This is awesome wish it was longer lol
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Brad Doty said:
Haha yeah.

I'm partial to the Joe Thornton one just because of our history with him and the Sharks but this is gold
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For context it was early in the season, Lundqvist was having a terrible game against Toronto and got pulled late in the second period after allowing six goals to the Maple Leafs.

Someone made it and I lost track of it but found it again on YouTube. Here is the original video from NHL:

[NHL]642732 [/NHL]
 
deeshamrock said:
Similar to the stats he had last year when he played about 15 games with Kopitar. the common dominator is Kopitar. ONce DK moved back down, the points did as well.

Being big and having pucks bounce off you into the net is not a skillset. King is a big bodied bottom 6 winger. But Sutter thinks he's a top 6 player and continues to put him there.
No harm in that short term, Gabby and Kopi drive the line ,he doesn't bring the skill they do, but he doesn't add to the line , compliment it the way a true top 6 winger would.
And he'll pull out the line blender by the next game anyway most likely.
Kings have been getting calls about DK, East Coast teams looking for his size for their bottom 6. This showcases him a bit to scouts as well.
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Yea, I think short term rewarding bottom 6 players for their work is great (like Lewis as first line RW), but I'm still waiting for Sutter to use the same lines from playoffs and the beginning of the year for the whole game and consistently. After the 6 game streak, we started to slump so they were changed up, but I still think Williams (WTF is he doing on the fourth line?) on that top line and the 70's line are ideal. And yea I agree, the lines are probably going to be scrambled anyways.
 
Jeff18 said:
Yea, I think short term rewarding bottom 6 players for their work is great (like Lewis as first line RW), but I'm still waiting for Sutter to use the same lines from playoffs and the beginning of the year for the whole game and consistently. After the 6 game streak, we started to slump so they were changed up, but I still think Williams (WTF is he doing on the fourth line?) on that top line and the 70's line are ideal. And yea I agree, the lines are probably going to be scrambled anyways.
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THis is not a word that Sutter knows , along with stability. When Gabby got hurt, I thought he'd put JW and DB with Kopi, they played well together for years but he never did that. Sometimes, his motives remain muddied.

Although in the playoffs, moving Williams off the 1st line to the 3rd line to give the 3rd line the puck possession that it needed to allow the top 9 to be more balanced and produce more was something he stuck with. Moving JW to that line, due to his puck possession skills and drive, really made a difference.

But DS in the Reg Season is not about that, usually about one game at a time.
I didn't like the fact when TT-JC-TP hit their first wall of adversity pre Halloween he busted them up. That is not good for a young player's confidence, or growth, TP needs stability , it's his first full year. Sutter is not comfortable with young players and it shows. I hope he leaves that line alone for awhile, let them work thru the rough spots, learn from the mistakes and mesh better defensively as a line
 
Yeah, I guess at this point I don't actually care what the regular season lines are as long as they get us there. If everyone can play together, as long as Sutter knows what the lines will be (at least, approximately), maybe it's tougher to scout, who knows. I mean, the 70s hit everyone upside the head last playoffs, no one saw that line coming.
 
deeshamrock said:
Similar to the stats he had last year when he played about 15 games with Kopitar. the common dominator is Kopitar. ONce DK moved back down, the points did as well.

Being big and having pucks bounce off you into the net is not a skillset. King is a big bodied bottom 6 winger. But Sutter thinks he's a top 6 player and continues to put him there.
No harm in that short term, Gabby and Kopi drive the line ,he doesn't bring the skill they do, but he doesn't add to the line , compliment it the way a true top 6 winger would.
And he'll pull out the line blender by the next game anyway most likely.
Kings have been getting calls about DK, East Coast teams looking for his size for their bottom 6. This showcases him a bit to scouts as well.
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Who else should get the chance? Williams has 1 goal in 9 games. Brown hasn't scored in 14. King has 5 goals in his last 10 games. If he's got the hot hand, try and take advantage of it. King has 5 goals at home this year. Brown and Williams have a combined 4.
 
I have literally no problem throwing a guy with 3 goals in 2 games next to Kopitar, especially if it means putting Williams next to Richards.
 
Brad Doty said:
Makes sense to me.



Or because King playing on that line effective turns every rush into a 2 or 1 on 2/3 because King skating next to Kopitar and Gaborik is like a cement truck next to a lambo. Though once set up in the zone it could be lovely. A string of good games by King earns him the chance but let's not pretend he's the perfect 1LW or ignore all his deficiencies by bashing anyone who disagrees.

But ZOMG DWIGHT KING kinda covers that I guess, lol.
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I would never in a million years consider King to be the perfect 1LW. He's a 3rd liner who can move up and down the lineup in a pinch, is a big body, is good on the forecheck and isn't afraid to go to the front of the net. He'll be on the top line for a few games (if that), providing space on the cycle, then **** will get jumbled up again. Anyone who has followed the Kings for any amount of time should know this, but people still get bent at the sight of King on the first line.
 
deeshamrock said:
Similar to the stats he had last year when he played about 15 games with Kopitar. the common dominator is Kopitar. ONce DK moved back down, the points did as well.

Being big and having pucks bounce off you into the net is not a skillset. King is a big bodied bottom 6 winger. But Sutter thinks he's a top 6 player and continues to put him there.
No harm in that short term, Gabby and Kopi drive the line ,he doesn't bring the skill they do, but he doesn't add to the line , compliment it the way a true top 6 winger would.
And he'll pull out the line blender by the next game anyway most likely.
Kings have been getting calls about DK, East Coast teams looking for his size for their bottom 6. This showcases him a bit to scouts as well.
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So in other words, players are more productive when they play with better players? Incidentally, the bold is also true of Dustin Brown. His point totals are in the ******* because Kopitar is no longer boosting him on the first line.

I just don't get people saying "he scored more playing with better players" like it's a bad thing...
 
Bandit said:
So in other words, players are more productive when they play with better players? Incidentally, the bold is also true of Dustin Brown. His point totals are in the ******* because Kopitar is no longer boosting him on the first line.

I just don't get people saying "he scored more playing with better players" like it's a bad thing...
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To the naked eye I'd say Brown's PP time, both in terms of quantity and quality, is a far cry from what it was before we had Gaborik and Carter. Same with Richards. And hell, same with Stoll before that. All of these guys have seen their roles altered as the seasons have rolled on.
 
Brad Doty said:
To be fair the Canucks game goal he was skating with Richards and Clifford. But for the one game, yes.

But Sutter is right, if you look at those goals, he's being a big ass tank in front of the net with good hands. That's exactly what we need. If only we had a guy like that that could be old school on the powerplay, similar to Smyth/Holmstrom.
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That use to be Brown, but for what ever reason; Brown consistently plays himself off PP units.
 
deeshamrock said:
Similar to the stats he had last year when he played about 15 games with Kopitar. the common dominator is Kopitar. ONce DK moved back down, the points did as well.

Being big and having pucks bounce off you into the net is not a skillset. King is a big bodied bottom 6 winger. But Sutter thinks he's a top 6 player and continues to put him there.
No harm in that short term, Gabby and Kopi drive the line ,he doesn't bring the skill they do, but he doesn't add to the line , compliment it the way a true top 6 winger would.
And he'll pull out the line blender by the next game anyway most likely.
Kings have been getting calls about DK, East Coast teams looking for his size for their bottom 6. This showcases him a bit to scouts as well.
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Biggest bunch of ******** ever (showcasing)....

If showcasing was real, Bernier would have went for a fortune 500 return. He was showcased plenty, and was a legit number one behind Quick.

There is no such thing as (showcasing).

King is on the first line, because all the LW's are inconsistent. In a few games Brown or Clifford will be up there.....again.
 
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Yeah, I highly doubt Dwight King is going to be traded. He is worth more to the Kings than what they 'd receive in a trade. He plays well along the boards, is a big body and makes peanuts by NHL standards. They'd be lucky to get a 3rd round pick for him. He is probably on the 1st line to show Kopitar how to take the puck to the net with his big body. That is something I've seen Kind do about 3 or 4 times in the last few games.
 
In all honesty D. King is a good player. I think his problem, such as it is, from the fan base is that they still a 6'4 200+ pound guy and think he should be wrecking people and it's just not his game. He's a skill guy who can use his size for puck control or to go to the net. Not necessarily be the big huge open ice hitter.

The biggest problem is that he's slow but in my opinion makes up for it with his understanding of the game. When he's on he reads the play and has a surprisingly large amount of steals simply by understanding where he needs to be on the ice to compensate for speed. Something I think is remarkably hard to do. He needs to be on his game mentally more then some of our more pure athletic (read faster) players. It causes problems with the fan base. Nothing looks worse then an out of position slow player. No hockey player is perfect so for King I think he has:

Pros:
Shot
Hockey Sense
Puck Control/Size

Cons:
Speed
 
Tadite said:
In all honesty D. King is a good player. I think his problem, such as it is, from the fan base is that they still a 6'4 200+ pound guy and think he should be wrecking people and it's just not his game. He's a skill guy who can use his size for puck control or to go to the net. Not necessarily be the big huge open ice hitter.

The biggest problem is that he's slow but in my opinion makes up for it with his understanding of the game. When he's on he reads the play and has a surprisingly large amount of steals simply by understanding where he needs to be on the ice to compensate for speed. Something I think is remarkably hard to do. He needs to be on his game mentally more then some of our more pure athletic (read faster) players. It causes problems with the fan base. Nothing looks worse then an out of position slow player. No hockey player is perfect so for King I think he has:

Pros:
Shot
Hockey Sense
Puck Control/Size

Cons:
Speed
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Pros:
Name matches team
Fun memes (Troll-face and Psycho-killer)
Stanley Cup horse-drawn wagon
Has a cute baby
"Big Ol Bear"


Cons:
Lack of truculence
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
https://twitter.com/helenenothelen

King-Kopitar-Gaborik
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Brown-Stoll-Lewis
Clifford-Richards-Williams

I also like to read that Sutter is working these guys hard.

https://twitter.com/helenenothelen/status/552173036846055424
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Well.. as much as I don't like it... it makes sense..... Brown hasn't fit in with Kopi/Gaborik.... Williams is having issues there as well.... so with

Pearson/Carter/Toffoli
Brown/Stoll/Williams
as good working lines that leaves King playing with Kopi/Gaborik....

Now Williams must have really pissed off Sutter by getting stuck on the "4th line" with Clifford/Richards :laugh: Not sure why the line isn't Brown/Stoll/Williams... but whatever...

Pearson/Toffoli may need a game or 2 to shake the residual Lewis off....

The only real question I have is can Gaborik play the right side? Ok that's a joke... I seem to remember a lot of people saying he couldn't play LW when the trade went down.... now Gaborik set up from a one timer from a pass from Kopi.... nice...
 
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