Reinhart's production also falls off in comparison to regular season over the time he's spent in Florida, so yes, you could argue that Reinhart also falls off in the playoffs.
... But he also has a Cup ring to show for it.
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Reinhart's production also falls off in comparison to regular season over the time he's spent in Florida, so yes, you could argue that Reinhart also falls off in the playoffs.
... But he also has a Cup ring to show for it.
9.5M player. 100 pt seasons? Sure but I don't need to win games 5-1 or 5-4 when 3-1 or 2-0 will do. Give me two 5M players who can play a 200 ft physical game and can put up 45 points a season over Marner.
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Players who can put up 45 points and play a 200 ft physical game are no longer 5 million dollar players.
Yeah you're right. I think a comparable I'd like is Brayden Schenn and he's at 6.5M & 50 points. Not the best 200 ft guy but his style is what I would be looking for. I still think that falls within the Marner salary range though. Give me two Brayden Schenn types at 6.5 each over Marner at 12 or 13.
He'll get paid 12-14 from some bottom feeder who is happy to make the playoffs, has the cap space to spend and isn't a free agent destination.
Those sorts of teams aren't under any sort of pressure to be financially responsible (nobody to sign) nor can they afford to wait around with that cap space (nobody is coming).
Those sorts of teams aren't under any sort of pressure to be financially responsible (nobody to sign) nor can they afford to wait around with that cap space (nobody is coming).
Wait a minute, I just want to make sure I am understanding you correctly. So what you are saying is that it is actually more difficult to produce against good teams with top players than it is against middle of the pack or bottom feeders with less talented rosters…. what a f***in revelation!
Also, to correct you on one point it is actually 4 points in 5 games versus Florida.
“Benefits from his centres”
Do you mean the same two centres who make more than him but are producing less than Marner is?
Do you people even understand just how ridiculous you sound? You will be at the front of line next season complaining about that lack of offence and how it would be really nice to have a 100 point two-way winger to pair up with Matthews next season.
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Maybe people are watching him make boneheaded passes that are getting intercepted and winding up in the back of his own teams net?
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They always have someone to blame. For years it was Kadri, Gardiner, “the refs”, “the curse”, lately it’s been Marner and of course since stolarz is out who imo isnt even a top 10 goalie. MAYBE top 15 they’ll blame him being out too.
Always some excuse with that organization.
For players who are neutered against good teams, like Marner? Yes.
Also thanks for correcting me. I apologize for thinking there had been 6 games against Florida. The number 6 has been stuck in my head since last night, for some reason...
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Oh yes.
I wouldn't want him in MTL over Suzuki's cap. I've watched all of the Leafs PO and if you can't be reliable and valuable in playoffs, i'm sorry kid but you're not worth my time and money. You can't be doing 360 no scoping passes through the middle and then unpluging your controller to defend on your own turnover and then ask for 14M, f*** off and forget my number. You can't put the puck over the glass with ZERO pressure from the opponent, etc. It's year after year.
You ain't winning shit in Regular season and I'd rather invest my limited money into players that have that dog in them.
I'm all for saying f*** off to Marner for ~$13M. "Wouldn't want him for over Suzuki's cap" is insane though, lol. I'm not even a huge fan of Marner's and I'd easily take him for anything under $10M. (Which he will never sign)
This isn't really a Marner specific thing either, this just isn't a realistic mentality with the current state of the league, where we're exiting a cap freeze and have concrete numbers on where the cap is going over the next three years.
Suzuki's cap hit inflates to $9.23M under next year's cap. Under 27-28's cap, it inflates to $11M. Players and agents know this and are going to demand accordingly.
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Yes some teams will take him over 10M, but I didn't stutter, I want no part of him in MTL. He would die from the pressure day 1.
If we sign someone over 10M, I want him to have a chance to win the Conn Smythe and that's not even close to what Marner brings in the playoffs.
"He would die from the pressure day 1."
Yes, Toronto is a notably lax hockey market.
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Lol, the Leafs commentators include a guy who refused to play for them if he was drafted by Toronto ...not even the commentators support the team, and you think he'd have it worse in Habs worship land?
If you ever listen to a leafs game, its non stop bashing, and same with the majority Toronto media, its shocking why anyone would want to play here. Example RoR couldnt handle the Toronto Microscope and said it flat out as why he didnt resign here and didnt want to return in a trade either.
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I'll just laugh at thr sunk costs and poor ROI from who signs him for something way over whst he should br paid.
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Marner will likely get 12.5-14 from someone (or a few offers in that range)
...but there way be a team with a lot of cap space that will offer 15.
This should not come as a surprise if/when it happens.
...but there way be a team with a lot of cap space that will offer 15.
This should not come as a surprise if/when it happens.
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He is dying from Day 1 in the playoffs with Toronto aswell, yes. Wasn't trying to say that Leafs Pressure is non-existant, but that he wouldnt be able to make it in MTL either.
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actually, I see him as a pretty good fit on Montreal.
He'd likely be paired with Laine and handle the defensive responsibilities which Laine doesnt
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maybe they should be looking for Matthews scoring ability, he seems to have lost it.
Anyways I am not saying that Marner doesn't have any blame in this mess. I just meant its not only him and yet there were endless threads about moving Marner and zero about the others. I find it curious he was the whipping boy and the rest got a pass.
Holland is going to be on the phone with Darren Ferris as soon as he can without catching a tampering charge. I don't think that's the best course of action for LA, but I can foresee it happening based on his track record.
The problem, at least with this core, has always been a lack of ability to play like grinders. It can't just be your bottom six fighting their way to the net.
The Leafs have too many top players who are too easily turned into perimeter players. And too easily take that option when it's given to them.
Keefe said it best: the bruins gave Toronto the opportunity to beat themselves, and they took it.
That's fair.
Though I think even a "Struggles in the playoffs" Marner is worth $7.8M x 7 lol. And I'm highly critical of Marner.
You’ve exposed yourself enough in this thread. You have no clue what Marner (or any leaf player) is because you simply look at stat-lines and watch highlights.
Took Marner the duration of his contract to get enough points to justify his price tag, at the very moment his contract expires.
Go ahead and sign him. Sign him, even at his current cap hit and you will be unhappy with the game he plays.
Casual hockey fans that don’t watch hockey outside of their own team will be shocked when they see his ineffectiveness. But ya, he’s sick against Seattle on a Tuesday.
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