Series Talk: North Division Round 1: Leafs (1) vs. Canadiens (4)

[Bluelines]

You have to hope so.
Maybe Keefe figured they were still winning and decided not to unveil his double secret super duper PP strategy until the playoffs?

UNSTOPPABLE!!!!!

 

[zeke]

If you don't like being called out for your questionable posting tactics, then change your posting style. You're in a constant state of conflict on this msg board, there is a reason for that and its not because of the "other guy".

If you want to blame me for you continually posting false personal attacks based on ignorance, that's fine.

 

[Marshy]

In bergy's defense I'm pretty sure caufield and Romanov deserve to be out. Caufields been getting buried at even strength while Romanov had steadily declined from his solid start to where a guy like Merrill is probably an upgrade.

Not so sure about Kotkaniemi - Staal hasn't earned a spot ahead of him in don't think.

I think their point is that the Habs shouldn't be playing vets over young players who could use the experience, since the Habs are very likely losing the series anyway - get the kids some development instead of some geezers who are gone next year anyway.

 

[PromisedLand]

Well yeah, that is how you play a highly talented team, hit them, hit them, hit them, hit them. It slows them down, takes them out of position, if you are expecting your winger to be in a certain spot for a pass and he is 40 feet behind you on his back, that takes away options.

We know that Andersen, Perry, Chabot will all be trying to be physical, in an attempt to slow us down. It's to be expected, its to be welcomed, because if they are predictable and they do try that game, its not hard to beat them, to give a hit you also have to take yourself out of the play too. Quick chip passes, our skaters have to support the guy along the boards to give that outlet pass. If you were going to go for a big hit, take yourself out of the play and turn it into a 4 on 4 with Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, Hyman, Foligno on the ice, I'd take those guys 4 on 4, with more ice any day of the week over just about any other 4 on 4 pairing in the NHL. Sure you want to go for the big OOOOOOHHH AHHHHH hits... fill yer boots.

They will probably send 2 forecheckers in at all times, forcing our D to make quicker decisions, again support your D by giving them outlet passes. Because of this approach, Sandin IMO would be a better choice in this series than Bogo. Sandin knows how to make time and space for himself. Bogo is more of a lumbering smart vet that is good against a bigger slower team. Maybe if the thought is you put Bogo in to protect Campbell, I can see that being a good choice too.

Maybe I'm being over confident but I think Montreal game plan is pretty simple to figure out, Dive, hit, force Toronto to make quick decisions and try to get the Leafs away from a 5 on 5 game where Montreal can't compete man for man.

It's a shame one of the Marlies didn't take some liberties on Gallagher and hack the crap out of his hand. I mean, your on the Marlies and you get suspended for a big ole 2 hander to Gallaghers thumb... and you help out the big team by hacking Gallagher.... you probably just got yourself a few big league games with a big league pay cheque next season.

did montreal trade for chabot on the tdl? not trolling i really dont know. didnt follow hockey news at the tdl much exept for leafs

 

[zeke]

I think their point is that the Habs shouldn't be playing vets over young players who could use the experience, since the Habs are very likely losing the series anyway - get the kids some development instead of some geezers who are gone next year anyway.

Yeah true....but that's where their new "just happy to be here" narrative falls apart - Bergy built that team to win NOW, and his job - heck his career - is on the line here.

 

[Marshy]

Yeah true....but that's where their new "just happy to be here" narrative falls apart - Bergy built that team to win NOW, and his job - heck his career - is on the line here.

He should have been gone years ago. Dude is definitely getting out the rosary beads this series.

 

[Bluelines]

did montreal trade for chabot on the tdl? not trolling i really dont know. didnt follow hockey news at the tdl much exept for leafs

Maybe I typed the wrong name, It's the Dman that Simmonds filled in at the beginning of the season. Chiarot...close missed a few vowels

 

[zeke]

He should have been gone years ago. Dude is definitely getting out the rosary beads this series.

Yeah my dirty secret is that I actually like the Habs and want them to be good....and it makes me want them to lose here even more just so they can finally be rid of Bergy.

 

[PromisedLand]

Romanov is also sitting out

.. they're really afraid to play their youngsters.

Makes sense to me.

1. Bergevin bet on this season if things go south he will get fired
2. He is Bergevin's coach, if bergevin goes he goes too
3. youngster tend to make more mistakes the vets usually play a "safe" game
4. Bergevin is trying to save his ass
5. But..... it wont work (i really hope we dont F up)

 

[PromisedLand]

So this looks like the Habs' line up for Game 1:

intersting to see them putting a BITCH line togeteher

perry-staal-anderson

and weber on the 3rd pairing

i think montreal trying to go "islander/CBJ style" hockey. keep defending, keep hitting and hope for mistakes to get offense going

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

intersting to see them putting a BITCH line togeteher

perry-staal-anderson

and weber on the 3rd pairing

i think montreal trying to go "islander/CBJ style" hockey. keep defending, keep hitting and hope for mistakes to get offense going

That will only work if Price puts up a .940 and the Leafs forget how to score goals.

 

[Bluelines]

Adorable. Attack me for apparently not knowing something and insulting me persaonally - when another poster just posted the facts and jts clear that it was in fact you that was talking out of your ass - and then instead of acknowledging your mistake and apologizing, you double down in embarrassment with more personal attacks.

Chef's kiss on this one.

Zeke ... dude calm down it's just a msg board, you're too angry all the time. No need for hostilities.

The only stat you need to look at is quality starts.

2020 - 3 QS in 5 games (.600) (0 RBS)
2019 - 4 QS in 7 games (.571) (1 RBS)
2018 - 3 QS in 7 games (.429) (2 RBS)
2017 - 4 QS in 6 games (.667) (1 RBS)

.60 is considered good, .53 was league average

In every series, except for one, he has had enough QS to win the series almost by himself, if he had a little run support we would be talking about how they did in the 2nd round.

I get it, we get it, your BS is so strong you've even convinced yourself that Andersen at every turn is a horrible goalie, was a horrible goalie and will always be a horrible goalie but dude, the fact is he was an excellent goalie for many years with us. Your constant droning on about Andersen is about as annoying as when my wife talks about Bachelor. Dude time to turn the page move on.... NEXT...

 

[wingman75]

WE should be able to skate circile around that 3rd line. Anderson is fast in a straight away cut to the net type situation, but he is not quick. Staal and Perry are slowwww.

I am shocked they are not playing Caufield, KK and Romanov.

WIll be interesting to see the line matchups. Obviously Habs will want Danault vs Matthews. Suspect they will want Suzuki vs Nash... one thing I hated about Babcock was the insistent line matching. Keefe seems to do it less, or in a less forced way. Let them play ffs.

 

[theyneedus]

Quebec is discussing allowing fans for their games, going to try and beat us with fan power. How will you NOT be outside Scotiabank on Thursday night supporting our guys? Non-stop protests for a year, that's all fine, you think they'll hassle hockey fans in Toronto for LeafsVHabs for the first time since 79? I'd like to see them try.

COME OUT TO MAPLE LEAF SQUARE. YOU KNOW THAT HAB FANS WILL BE LOOKING TO TOP US.

 

[zeke]

Zeke ... dude calm down it's just a msg board, you're too angry all the time. No need for hostilities.

The only stat you need to look at is quality starts.

2020 - 3 QS in 5 games (.600) (0 RBS)
2019 - 4 QS in 7 games (.571) (1 RBS)
2018 - 3 QS in 7 games (.429) (2 RBS)
2017 - 4 QS in 6 games (.667) (1 RBS)

.60 is considered good, .53 was league average

In every series, except for one, he has had enough QS to win the series almost by himself, if he had a little run support we would be talking about how they did in the 2nd round.

I get it, we get it, your BS is so strong you've even convinced yourself that Andersen at every turn is a horrible goalie, was a horrible goalie and will always be a horrible goalie but dude, the fact is he was an excellent goalie for many years with us. Your constant droning on about Andersen is about as annoying as when my wife talks about Bachelor. Dude time to turn the page move on.... NEXT...

The actual relevant stats are posted above by @TwineTickler .

Whatever you think the stats you posted here have to do with the post of mine you quoted I don't know - but I suggest you go back and read it before digging yourself deeper.

You tried to attack me personally in ignorance, and embarrassed yourself again.

No biggie. Just stop digging.

 

[tom leafers]

Perhaps plan is to rough up Leafs in game one and then go with more skill rest of the series?

Romanov led their D in hits though so if thats the plan wouldnt you want him in?

I honestly dont even remember the habs being that physicial. ya they were top in the league in hits, but how many of those were actually HITS

 

[Marshy]

Imagine telling Habs fans before the season started we'd be playing in them in the first round..we'd be 1st and they'd be fourth....and one more thing.....Leafs will have a full lineup while you guys will be playing without Drouin/Romanov/Kotkaniemi/Caufield even though the latter played in the last games 10 of the season and scored 4 goals including 2 game winners in OT.

 

[Mess]

Perhaps plan is to rough up Leafs in game one and then go with more skill rest of the series?

Montreal is showing their hand that they don't plan on out-skilling nor exchanging scoring chances but plan to take the game physical and the trenches because everyone knows that is not where Leafs skilled players like to go.

When Weber, Petry and Edmundson start running Matthews, Marner and Nylander who are the Leafs going to retaliate against or Habs fear retribution over, if their prized youth is in the pressbox safe and sound.

 

[AcerComputer]

Quebec is discussing allowing fans for their games, going to try and beat us with fan power. How will you NOT be outside Scotiabank on Thursday night supporting our guys? Non-stop protests for a year, that's all fine, you think they'll hassle hockey fans in Toronto for LeafsVHabs for the first time since 79? I'd like to see them try.

COME OUT TO MAPLE LEAF SQUARE. YOU KNOW THAT HAB FANS WILL BE LOOKING TO TOP US.

I doubt they will be playing the game on the video board outside at Maple Leaf Square.

 

[BertCorbeau]

[QUOTE="wingman75, post: 178053962, member: 77455"]WE should be able to skate circile around that 3rd line. Anderson is fast in a straight away cut to the net type situation, but he is not quick. Staal and Perry are slowwww.

I am shocked they are not playing Caufield, KK and Romanov.

WIll be interesting to see the line matchups. Obviously Habs will want Danault vs Matthews. Suspect they will want Suzuki vs Nash... one thing I hated about Babcock was the insistent line matching. Keefe seems to do it less, or in a less forced way. Let them play ffs.[/QUOTE]

Except have you seen our fourth line?

Keefe should just line match our fourth and their third. Anderson's been a bit of a thorn in the Leafs' side this season, so let Simmonds keep him busy. And then let the old dudes club battle it out. And then match our "third" line with Montreal's fourth to balance out some speed.

Basically use the third and fourth lines to cancel each other out in strength, and then lean on our top two lines to beat the Habs top two lines.

 

[Marshy]

If the Tavares line can exploit their matchup getting heavy OZ usage... should be a short series.

I think Foligno takes it out of 2nd gear starting Thursday and we are going to be treated to playoff Foligno....sans funny helmet.

 

[Bluelines]

Tripling down on personal attacks out of embarassment. Solid.

Go back and re-read it.

If you feel like apologizing like an adult afterwords that's fine but I'm not expecting it.

Congratulations this discussion has devolved to point where you now feel slighted because you were corrected on a false bias you have. You want an apology because I had the gall to have an opinion contrary to yours. WOW. We have now reach the most bizarre interaction that I've ever had on this forum.

Can we just move on I'm sure people don't want to read this sort of back and forth. Lets try to be respectful of the subject we are discussing, Leafs 1st round match up.

Lets get back on track.

 

[zeke]

Congratulations this discussion has devolved to point where you now feel slighted because you were corrected on a false bias you have. You want an apology because I had the gall to have an opinion contrary to yours. WOW. We have now reach the most bizarre interaction that I've ever had on this forum.

Can we just move on I'm sure people don't want to read this sort of back and forth. Lets try to be respectful of the subject we are discussing, Leafs 1st round match up.

Lets get back on track.

You didn't express a different opinion - you jumped into a discussion that you clearly didn't understand, with personal attacks.

Your follow up posts make it clear you don't even know what the convo was about.

But like I said - I don't expect you to be an adult and apologize for this obvious boner, and expect only for you to keep tripling down with the personal attacks.

But no matter how long you continue to embarass yourself, I won't stop correcting your false attacks.

 

[Twine Tickler]

intersting to see them putting a BITCH line togeteher

perry-staal-anderson

and weber on the 3rd pairing

i think montreal trying to go "islander/CBJ style" hockey. keep defending, keep hitting and hope for mistakes to get offense going

I just don't think they are as effective playing that way. I could be wrong on this, but the NYI/CBJ model was only effective because they played their whole season exactly like that leading up to the playoffs. Going to be hard for them to completely buy into a game plan that they haven't been able to implement effectively all year.

the Islanders allowed the 2nd fewest goals/game in the NHL this year and the 2019-20 CBJ gave up the 3rd fewest goals/game in that season. In contrast, MTL was ranked 18th in that same category. Now I'm sure MTL fans will belly ache and moan and say it was purely because of the COVID condensed schedule and injuries. But the simple fact of the matter is they are not as good defensively as those 2 that you listed. in fact, defensively we outperformed them considerably and if we wanted to trap the game up, we could likely limit them to 1.5G/game. If we do that, this series is over in short order

 

[Mats13]

Keep saying it does not make it true, it makes you look like a guy who is either 1) Uneducated on the facts or 2) manipulative that you are trying to Gaslight or worse, both. Either way its not a good look on you.

Wasn't our only bad stretch this year when Andersen completely fell apart?

Not sure what your argument is here.