Did I say he was going to plateau at 65 points? Did I say his peak is this year? Don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying right now he is not a game-breaker any more than Ryan Donato is a game-breaker.
"Nobody is afraid of Bedard"....Bruce Boudreau
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Exactly. Proper development is key and despite what people say an awful lot of development happens in the NHL. I maintain that throwing talented kids to the wolves without suport is piss poor development. It's how poor habits are formed and confidence is hurt. You need strong role models to imprint good habits on your talented kids.
I said he’s a game-breaking talent. You understood what you said but chose to make the comment you did.
In your opinion he isn’t right now, which is irrelevant to my comment even if it were true.
No, "anyone paying attention" did not agree Jack Hughes was going to be an elite player after his first two seasons in the league. He struggled mightily his rookie year and got better toward the end of his second season, but it was far from certain he'd become anywhere close to the player he is today. Pretending otherwise is just as delusional as your statement that "I think we can all agree Bedard is definitely not generational," but from the other direction.
And yes, this type of discussion is extremely common, and of course you're not forcing anyone to do anything, no one said you were. I have literally no idea what you're talking about in your post.
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Meanwhile, the main point of my post was that "In five to ten years no one will care how Bedard's 19 year old sophomore season went. Kind of like no one cares how Jack Hughes' 19 year old sophomore season went." And if anyone would unironically be in a position to understand the ups and downs of a young player's development, it'd be a Devils fan because you've just seen this firsthand with Jack Hughes. Instead you're doing the opposite and pretending like a 7 game pointless streak or his relative point total compared to his teammates is some foolproof predictor of what Bedard will eventually become. It isn't.
The site died for a few days , I couldn't wait to come in here and have healthy intellectual discussions with you guys again ,that game in SJ was not great for my boy Bedard.
Celebrini and the sharks >>>>>>>>>
Celebrini and the sharks >>>>>>>>>
This would be the year for Chicago to sign him long-term. 8x8 or something like that.
Not just a good center in front of him, but a guy like Marty St Louis (if you had a time machine) to show him how a shorter guy can dominate in the NHL. Kid is really having a hard time with a lack of muscle and elusiveness on the ice.
You want to pay that for a small forward who can barely score 60pts with 23 mins of ice time?
It was very obvious from my perspective as an opposing fan that Hughes would become an elite player, even though his production didn't match it at the time.
When I watch him (often), I don't have much of an issue with his lack of muscle and elusiveness. It holds him back, but can be built on.
What shocks me is his disinterest and lack of awareness. He's so often the farthest guy on the ice from the play and is barely moving his feet to get back. He rarely stops, he just coasts. Loses the puck, coasts at mid-speed for like 20 feet, then glances over his shoulder before widely swooping. And then he stands and stares as the guy who is obviously his slams the puck home. I have seen him swoop through his own slot while the other team has the puck behind the net and and stride up ice to leave two opposing forwards standing alone right in front of the net.
It's baffling, and I hope, for his sake, it's just some burnout that he's able to overcome this off-season and never look back.
Sure, I thought he'd become elite also, I thought probably around a point a game, maybe more with better wingers.
For context, from my perspective (neutral fan) I think it's very obvious that Bedard will get to at least around a point a game and average at least 30-40 goals most seasons, assuming he puts on some core strength and the Blackhawks find him someone to play with. He has a legitimate chance to be much more than that as well.
The point of last post was to show that not everyone agreed with the Jack Hughes take at the time, and not everyone disagrees with the above Bedard take right now either. To claim otherwise is nonsense.
You claimed a couple pages up that "Anyone paying attention could see he (Jack Hughes) was going to be an elite player" and "I think we can all agree he (Bedard) is definitely not generational," both verbatim quotes which I posted direct responses to. Posts 621, 624, 650, 654 (doesn't look like multi-quote functionality is enabled otherwise I'd repost below).
Your delusion knows no bounds. Unless of course you're referring to yourself as a 'nobody' I suppose
Of course you think a ppg+ player is the same thing as a generational player lol.
Um... I said, "He has a legitimate chance to be much more than that as well." Meaning Bedard.
You realize you literally quoted that post, right?
Sure, he could become a 100-110+ point player. That's still not generational.
He has a legitimate chance to be much more than that as well. Words shouldn't be this difficult to understand.
No he really doesn't.
You said he had a chance to be much more than a PPG player. Maybe next time be more clear with your words and just say you think he could still be generational.
Meanwhile, only couple pages up you understood my point of view (which isn't surprising, I've been consistently arguing it this whole time).
Takes effort to misunderstand / misrepresent something so basic and so quickly. Also takes a distinct and severe lack of integrity to try ridicule someone for a point of view you know they don't have (ie more recent posts where you pretended I thought 100-110 points makes a generational player).
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Anyway, it's not my responsibility to get ppl like you to discuss things in good faith. It'd be an impossible task anyway
And you never replied in the affirmative.
Just go ahead and say it so that there's no misunderstanding.
Anybody watched the game vs Vancouver last night ? Gosh he was bad. Absolutely pathetic performance... the guy was coasting for 90% of the game. He even received a 10 min game misconduct haha. Absolutely no effort and lack of hockey IQ on some plays. The Hawks are that bad and Bedard is part of the reason for it.
Hawks need a real vet coach immediately. They are being negligent with their asset.
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