"Nobody is afraid of Bedard"....Bruce Boudreau

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For as much as people shit on tortorella on these boards, you see exactly why he coaches young guys the way he does.

Bedard headed towards being a top winger at this rate, exactly as I had him pegged tbh.

It's laughable how they let him drag out his shifts while not skating back. Way he's blowing defensive assignments and is cheating for offense and is making low percentage plays. Etc etc. It's absolutely mind boggling.

And I'm not blaming Bedard. He is what he is at this point in time and he's still got all the talent to become an elite player. I put this solely on the coaching staff. Grow a f***ing pair and start holding him accountable and things just might turn out great in the long run. I hate to see what's happening there. Hate it.
And you've got people screaming at Torts for not letting Michkov play like this.
 
Bedard has great talent, and we need to give him a chance to develop his game. He's doing fine thus far and no doubt will continue to improve. There's no need to compare him toe McDavid or Crosby.

Many of the all-time great scorers - including Lemieux, Jagr, Howe, Kucherov, MacKinnon - didn't start their careers at the top of the scoring race, and they all improved immensely, and eventually became the players that we know and remember. Lemieux, for example, doubled his scoring from his 1st and 5th seasons (even though his first season was quite good).

Bedard has unique and special offensive talent, and i suspect he will win scoring titles. It's hard to predict how good he will be..it depends on his development. We'll see.
 
I said he will be closer to Kane than Mcdavid once he hits the NHL. ppl were flaming me for it...Idk if he will ever even get to Kane's level in his career.
Yeah, me too. People called me a homer for saying I preferred Jack Hughes.

Crosby fans were talking down to young McDavid to discredit him back in the day too. And it was annoying and cringe back then just like it is now with McDavid fans doing the same thing to Bedard.

Bedard doesn't belong in the same sentence as those two. People aren't comparing him to Kane in an effort to downplay him, they are comparing him to Kane because that's objectively his most similar comparable.

Nearly identical PPG in draft year in CHL
Nearly identical PPG in rookie NHL season
Nearly identical PPG in 2nd NHL season

Same size, similar skill sets. Kane a better skater and puck carrier, Bedard a better shooter.

Not sure I like the Hughes comparison other than that Jack also struggled to reach the heights expected of him in his first few seasons.

But Hughes had/has skating gifts that Bedard will never have.

Bedard and Kane is a better comparison, though Bedard lacks Kanes hockey iq. That's not to say that Bedard has bad hockey iq but more that Kane had some of the best hockey sense and playmaking of any player that's entered the league since 2007.
I think Bedard has pretty elite processing speed and vision, but his decision making is still really immature, he looks like a kid who doesn't yet know how to play pro style hockey. He makes waaaay too many high risk low reward plays, trying to play hero hockey every time he touches the puck. He just doesn't have the natural physical gifts to pull that kind of hockey off at this level.

Kane played a more mature style at the same stage, but he also had a better supporting cast. He also wasn't expected to be Crosby so probably didn't feel extra pressure to do Crosby things every night.

If Jack Hughes can overcome weighing half a paperweight so can Bedard
Bedard doesn't have that sort of skating, that's the only issue. Will make it harder for him to surpass Jack.
 
Lacks skating and agility.

He's also a very smart player that needs to play with good line mates. He doesn't generate a ton on his own

He's one of the best playmakers out there and he is playing with garbage....
 
He's undersized likely winger being forced to be a center to make up for his draft position, without a mean bone in his body. Completely soft. Hawks have also done a terrible job developing him as well.

The moment they got Bedard they should have overpaid if they had to to get him legit linemates. Should have started him in the NHL on the wing as well.

Can't be easy at this point knowing you are under delivering and watching Celebrini be legit. Main difference is the size and willingness to be mean.
 
Crosby fans were talking down to young McDavid to discredit him back in the day too. And it was annoying and cringe back then just like it is now with McDavid fans doing the same thing to Bedard.

This is such a lazy rebuttal to the criticisms of the obvious flaws in Bedard's game.

He's Patrick Kane if the Hawks sucked when they got Kane and forced him to play center.
 
I thought Bedard would be more Kariya lite myself but Paul was light-years ahead in his d plus 2 year in terms of his all around game.
A bit of an unfair comparison....Kariya was 21 coming into his 2nd year, Bedard is/was 19
 
This thread is going to look so stupid in the future. The guy played with Slaggert and Donato last night. He is 19 and has scored 107 point in 121 games with bottom six guys as his linemates. He is still the second youngest player in the league. How many teenagers has produced like that with so little help?

People talk about how weak he is etc. If he would have played in Minnesota with Kaprizov and putting up 100 points no one would said that. Everybody would have talked about how great he his. He is on an island right now and that is not his fault. Stop judging him until he gets some competent linemates and stop hating on him just because you hate Chicago.
If he was on MN, he would have 50% of the ice time he has now and would have seen the bench a whole lot more in the third period. Stop using the linemate excuse to handwave away any shortcomings and look at his own individual play, its not good enough to be a 1C on a winning team period. That's not to say he won't get there eventually, but he is not a winning matchup player in any sense at the moment and that is entirely on him and the decisions he makes. He needs to get stronger on the puck, better at battles, faster in his skating, faster in his decision making, and contribute more effort when it comes to puck retrievals and defensive coverage. All things that many young talented players struggle with and things that can be overcome, however, most young players do not end up improving all of these issues and that is why true difference maker super stars are so rare.
 
For as much as people shit on tortorella on these boards, you see exactly why he coaches young guys the way he does.
Who are the young players that benefited from his development? Not really challenging here, because maybe there are several....I just don't know enough. I just think people are pointing to him this year and his benching of Michkov as a great thing, maybe Bedard could benefit form a coach like that, etc. But....who knows how effective he has been.....how will Michkov turn our long term from Tort's development?
 
If he's 23 and producing 75 points a year still, then yeah he's a bust at that point in terms of meeting expectations. But players can grow exponentially at his age, both in size and experience. He's got a big head start playing at 18 and 19 in the nhl. It'll only serve to make him a better player as time goes on. I saw Biz ripping on him for trying to deke past a guy 1 on 1 when he could have dumped the puck in instead. Well that sort of stuff is the kind of lessons a young player needs to learn. He's on a shite Hawks team expected to be a one man show. 75 points at 19 is still a respectable amount. There's no reason he can't work out like a demon in the off season, show up next year that much stronger and better and hit 100 points and beyond.
 
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He is so wrong. What was Jack Hughes doing at 19? Nobody is afraid of him right now granted, just like no one was afraid of Mack when he was 19
He was playing much better hockey. Way better underlying numbers and was already an elite puck carrier. Unfortunately, he missed two weeks with COVID after the first 8 games of his 19 year old season, and lost a ton of weight and never recovered. He was a ppg before COVID though, and anybody with functioning eyeballs knew he was way better than his counting stats suggested.

It's great that Bedard is piling up points, but he's not playing good hockey right now.
 
For as much as people shit on tortorella on these boards, you see exactly why he coaches young guys the way he does.

Bedard headed towards being a top winger at this rate, exactly as I had him pegged tbh.


And you've got people screaming at Torts for not letting Michkov play like this.

I think there is always a balance between the real tough love approach and the let the player do whatever approach.

Some coaches are better at walking that line.
 
Some 19 year old kids are just 19 year old kids. I wouldn’t bet against him becoming a high impact player in the league when he’s 21-25
 
If he's 23 and producing 75 points a year still, then yeah he's a bust at that point in terms of meeting expectations. But players can grow exponentially at his age, both in size and experience. He's got a big head start playing at 18 and 19 in the nhl. It'll only serve to make him a better player as time goes on. I saw Biz ripping on him for trying to deke past a guy 1 on 1 when he could have dumped the puck in instead. Well that sort of stuff is the kind of lessons a young player needs to learn. He's on a shite Hawks team expected to be a one man show. 75 points at 19 is still a respectable amount. There's no reason he can't work out like a demon in the off season, show up next year that much stronger and better and hit 100 points and beyond.
Agreed with the bolded, but he's already played 120 NHL games and really hasn't shown any signs of improving on those types of decisions, which is a bit concerning. I've always maintained he'd figure it out, but if he's not being held accountable for junior hockey mistakes, the extra experience he's getting might be do more damage than anything, especially if it effects his confidence.
 
He was playing much better hockey. Way better underlying numbers and was already an elite puck carrier. Unfortunately, he missed two weeks with COVID after the first 8 games of his 19 year old season, and lost a ton of weight and never recovered. He was a ppg before COVID though, and anybody with functioning eyeballs knew he was way better than his counting stats suggested.

It's great that Bedard is piling up points, but he's not playing good hockey right now
Hughes did a lot of skating into the zone and not knowing what to do with it and benefitted from the fact that a lot of the NHL was still catching up with the "skating is everything" hyper meta. . He was also routinely muscled off pucks, was bad defensively, outscored by guys like Pavel Zacha on his team. Bedard struggles 5 on 5 for sure, similar to all the Blackhawks, and is routinely "Son'd" in H2H matchups in a league where everyone can skate really well these days, but he is already one of the best powerplay players in the league. Since Jack Hughes rookie year, Bedard is 12th in league in PPP/60 (minimum 60 minutes). Jack Hughes is 38th. Probably not a stretch to think Bedard can have a "Kucherov" like impact on the powerplay in a few seasons assuming he continues improving and the Hawks get a credible passing threat on the other side beyond like a Teuvo Teravainen.

Bedard has been a better player every same year as Jack Hughes, better prep (Hughes didn't make exceptional status), better junior (Hughes wasn't an impact player at U20, Bedard broke records... "chatter" about Kakko being a better selection among some), better 1st and 2nd year player (Bedard had more points as an 18 year old rookie than Hughes did in his first two years combined), so we'll see if the trend continues and Bedard makes a step forward in his 3rd and 4th years like Hughes did. As is, Hughes is still terrible at faceoffs in his mid-20s, hasn't hit 100 points (but been close), may get his first Top 10 point finish, has 1 playoff series win to date.

Maybe Bedard won't do any of that stuff either, but he's four years behind Hughes.
 

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