He's a year away from UFA and would require $8+M LT to keep around past the summer of 2026.
Not necessarily saying we need to trade him at all costs, but I'd be open to hearing what the market for his services are.
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Not necessarily saying we need to trade him at all costs, but I'd be open to hearing what the market for his services are.
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If isles trade Dobson then you're kickstarting a rebuild.
In which case the flyers send you Bonk and their 2025 1st COL and a 3rd
In which case the flyers send you Bonk and their 2025 1st COL and a 3rd
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Is it even low? It's lower than last year sure, but he still had 10 goals and 40 points.
Two questions for Isles fans:
- If Dobson gets an offer sheet, what do you think he'll get? I'm assuming 8 x 9M AAV so compensation would be 2026 1st, 2nd and 3rd but correct me if I'm wrong.
- If the 1st was in the 20s, would the Isles match or take the picks? Usually bad teams don't do offer sheets because their 1sts are more valuable so let's assume a playoff team would do it. That means the 1st will most likely be in the 20s.
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any offer sheets longer than 5y bring the AAV way higher as its calculated on 5y max. so 8x9m would be 4x1st
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Don’t know why Lou Lam would trade Dobson. But if he did the return for such a young, elite, right shot D would be through the roof. Imo Dobson would return the equivalent of four firsts. That could be a first round pick + a prospect who was a recent first + a young roster player who was a first round pick+ a veteran who might return a first as a coming UFA. Or some other combination. Dobson is worth a lot.
First, I think NYI have time with Dobson. Do I think other teams and Dobson are likely to agree on an offer sheet so devastating to NYI from an asset viewpoint (i.e. small term small money just to get him to UFA)? I don't think so.
About trading up for Hagens - I don't think that's really possible. There are too many teams who desperately need/want a C prospect like Hagens. It's going to cost way too much. Even though it's unlikely, the most likely way NYI get Hagens is by moving up in the lotto.
About trading up for Hagens - I don't think that's really possible. There are too many teams who desperately need/want a C prospect like Hagens. It's going to cost way too much. Even though it's unlikely, the most likely way NYI get Hagens is by moving up in the lotto.
Ah whoops OK.
If Dobson signs a deal equivalent to a late 2026 1st, 2nd or 3rd, would the Isles match?
What if Dobson signs a deal worth 2 1sts, 2nd and a 3rd?
I don't think Mailloux will stay much longer in the Habs organization. He has been confirmed in almost every impact player trade rumors since the last draft. Eric Engels also said at the deadline that he wouldn't be surprised if Mailloux was traded soon.
As for the 2C, I agree that it's a need right now, but you don't often see a 25-year-old top pairing RHD on the trade market, and if you are able to acquire one, you go ahead and do just that, especially if the price is realistic.
About the first case, I don't know. It's not just about the compensation.
Like if NYI can't sign him for 7-8 years at 8M AAV and he signs for 4 years at 9MAAV, I maybe let him walk.
About the second case, I definitely let him walk, because that's too much AAV.
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Whether in trade or if he signs an offer sheet. Dobson will return the equivalent of four firsts. He’s a young, elite RSD.
10 goals and 40 points with a historically bad PP. A healthy Barzal and a normal on-ice pp sh% gets Dobson to 55-60 points easy.
Islanders probably make the playoffs and fans start giving Dobson credit for his much improved defensive game. Instead we have people refusing to give up prospects such as Otto Stenberg and Theo Lindstein in a package.
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I'm with you, I'm hard on Dobson but eliminating a top prospect or top 4 prospects is insane.
I don't think Dobson is anywhere close to worth 3rd overall. I don't think a playoff 1st in 2026 comes anywhere near making it close to acceptable. If the Islanders want 3rd overall, it needs to be Dobson and the 10th overall and figure out what the Sharks need to add to make it doable.
yeah lol, hfboards gonna hfboards. 6.4 RHD who you can basically pencil him in for 10 goals and 50+ points on a normal team in a normal year. can't give up your 4th best prospect for him though!
There's no way Noah Dobson is the price to move up 7 picks in the draft lol. He's one year removed from a 70 point season. I'm not sure that any player on the Sharks current roster has ever put up a 70 point season.
If the Sharks don't have interest then that's fine, I thought because of your roster makeup and who is available in the draft this year that going after a young RHD in a trade makes sense. We're not giving him away to turn Roger McQueen into James Hagens though. It doesn't make any sense.
The entire reason why 'figure out what the Sharks need to add to make it doable' is because it's a given that Dobson is worth more than moving up those seven spots. Toffoli has put up a 70 point season. It's not all that valuable on its own. A player like Dobson is probably going to get something like a playoff team's 1st round pick, a good prospect, and a roster player of some sort. He's not remotely worth a 3rd overall and making that obvious statement doesn't mean the Sharks don't have interest in him. It means anyone thinking that Dobson is worth a 3rd overall needs to get their heads out of the clouds.
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It's not like I don't want to give up high-end prospects, but we have some holes in our rosters to plug the next couple of seasons that some of these higher-end prospects are pencilled in for. The Blues pipeline has become a lot better the last several seasons, but we still don't have the prospect depth some other teams have and as we're not yet in 'win now-mode' so there is no reason to go all-in.
For example, Blues will have to replace Fowler, Suter and Leddy within the next 2 seasons and Lindstein seems to be our only 'sure thing' to replace one of them at LD, hoping one of Burns or Fischer could join him. Same goes for Stenberg, we have quite a few young wingers ATM (Bolduc, Snuggerud) who 'seem' to adapt well to the NHL., but I'd like some insurance and see if they can keep it up next season. If they do, someone like Stenberg could become available.
I mean you can have your opinion, but I think you're undervaluing a 25 year old defenseman who is both proven in the NHL and has averaged 50+ points/season over the past four seasons. He's a January birthday so you still get 5 years out of him while he's in his 20s (pending you sign him, which I assume you would if traded for).
Yeah, I get the 3rd overall has more years of cheap control, which is why I think balancing it out with the Colorado first is fair.
But I wouldn't do Dobson and the 10th pick. Dobson's well worth more than moving up 7 spots, especially considering that no draftee is guaranteed to make it even if he's 3rd overall. That counter would be a no from NYI. Nothing reasonably "doable" to add to make it work. You're not getting a proven 25 year old with years of tread on his tires by moving down 7 slots and throwing some scraps towards NYI.
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The entire Dobson for third premise was brought up by a Sharks fan, this is not something that we offered. Sorry that I forgot Toffoli's 70 point season from four teams ago
The two closest comps to a Dobson trade would be the Sergachev and first Seth Jones trade. I believe Jones was traded for Boqvist, a #12 OA, a #6 OA the next season and a second. Sergachev was something like Geekie, Moser and a second. Dobson probably gets something between the two, which basically amounts to two top twelve picks and a second. Not sure what your comp is for "a playoff team's #1 pick".
Assuming the price to move up 7 picks in the draft is a 12th-ish overall, it would seem the value gap that needs to be made up is something like a 12th-ish overall pick and a second. If you added Musty and your second this year, that should make up the value gap.
Who is now coming off a down year with 39 points in 71 games and is an RFA with arbitration rights. Players like him don't come anywhere close to a 3rd overall pick. They get a mid-to-late 1st, a good prospect, and a roster player. There is no balancing out Dobson with that sort of contract situation getting 3rd overall with a playoff team's 1st round pick the following year especially when you're asking the pick from a team that finished last again and at that point wouldn't get any of the top talent out of the draft. It is not coming close to being fair, are you kidding me? What precedent is there for this sort of deal?
It was brought up by a Sharks fan asking what you are adding to Dobson to get it. You haven't exactly answered that question. Using Sergachev and Jones for a Dobson comp when Sergachev was already signed when he was dealt and Jones was one year to UFA doesn't make any sense. Dobson being an RFA with arbitration rights significantly alters his trade value. You're not really getting anything done without him talking to teams about re-signing and if he doesn't want to, there's no deal to be made. The Islanders have absolutely no leverage to get that sort of trade return here. The other thing is that Jones trade included the last pick in the 1st round going back to Chicago with him so it was actually moving up 20 spots in the 1st round and not two top 12 picks for Jones. As for comps, Jacob Trouba is one who was going to be an RFA in 2019 coming off a 50 point season when he was dealt for Pionk and the 20th pick. If Dobson is going to play hard ball with the Islanders like Trouba did with the Jets, that's the actual return you're looking at.
I'm not exactly sure what you're saying on the last bit in terms of what that offer actually looks like. Are you saying the Sharks give the Islanders 3rd overall, Musty, and 33rd overall for Dobson and 10?
Yeah if you’re using Trouba as a comp in good faith then we just aren’t going to have a productive conversation here. Here are Dobson's per/82 for his four full seasons: 12G, 43A, 55P playing 22 mins a night. His average point output clears Troubas best season. Sergachev and Jones had a combined 2 seasons that clear that average pre-trade. Dobson's value isn't discounted just because his point totals were slightly down on a year the entire team was decimated with injuries. He has a track record.
You're right, the Jones trade did include the very late first, but I think that you're also forgetting that Boqvist was a very recent top 10 pick. Jones had an NTC at the time of his trade and had leverage - he was still traded for a #8 OA, a #6 OA, moving up 20 picks in the first round, and a second. There are no reports of Dobson playing hardball; contrarily, he signed with a new agent midseason to try and expedite the process of getting a new deal.
Yes, I'm saying Dobson and the #10 (Eklund/McQueen/O'Brien) for the #3 (Hagens/Frondell/Desnoyers), Musty, and the second.
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That's a pass from this Sharks fan
I'd rather us draft Martone if we drop to 3
And if a trade is in the works that I substitute Dallas's 1st for Musty and the 2nd
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