Value of: Noah Dobson

[Glorydays22]

Why? If you trade Dobson you are not going to be able to replace his contribution right away no matter what the return is.

If you move Dobson just embrace the retool or rebuild - whichever you want to call it

So we trade for a prospect who's a question mark for a 25 RD Top line defensemen, whom by the way we still have under control for another year? If you were us, would you do that? I think not. Dobson only gets traded if we are talking about one of your young forwards like Ekland

 

[impaaaaaact]

I think you need to take what he says 48 hours after the trade with a grain of salt.

Ok, with a grain of salt the GM of the team said multiple times that the plan is for Cal Ritchie to make the jump to the NHL next season. Quentin Musty has outproduced Cal Ritchie in the same league. He could also make the team.

 

[impaaaaaact]

We've discussed Sharks packages for Dobson ad nauseum. Let's get crazy.

Sharks fall to 3, Isles want Hagens. What are you adding to Dobson to get the pick?

Not much I wouldn’t think. Maybe the 10th + Romanov?

 

[Juxtaposer]

Not much I wouldn’t think. Maybe the 10th + Romanov?

10th+Romanov doesn't really do anything for us. Never mind then.

 

[Baksfamous112]

So we trade for a prospect who's a question mark for a 25 RD Top line defensemen, whom by the way we still have under control for another year? If you were us, would you do that? I think not. Dobson only gets traded if we are talking about one of your young forwards like Ekland

I would not for the sole reason that D takes longer than forwards to develop. I would, however, trade Horvat, Barzal, JGP, Pelech and Pulock over the draft/next year for a mix of draft picks and prospects that are closer to make the jump. I would also trade Dobson if he makes it clear he wants out.

One thing is sure, NYI needs at the very least a retool and ideally a proper rebuild.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I believe Montreal would do this trade.

...I don't...Habs #1 need is a #2 Centre and Hage has that earmarked so far...unless they can somehow land a long-term, young, talented #2C in the offseason (offersheeting a Mavrik Bourque or whatever), Hage is a huge need in the prospect pool...they also have Reinbacher and Mailloux at RD and want to see if they can pan out (especially Reinbacher)...Dobson would be nice, but not at the expense of Hage at this point in the team's development...

 

[Glorydays22]

Not much I wouldn’t think. Maybe the 10th + Romano

10th+Romanov doesn't really do anything for us. Never mind then.

I'm not dong that from a isles POV anywhere. Trying a top 10 pick, a proven #1 offensvie RD and a shutdown LD Defenseman both 25....are you freaking serious. HELL No...for an unproven prospect.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I'm not dong that from an isles POV anywhere. Trying a top 10 pick, a proven #1 offensvie RD and a shutdown LD Defenseman both 25....are you freaking serious. HELL No...for an unproven prospect.

Sorry, was the offer Dobson+Romanov+10? I thought it was just the latter two since OP said "not much".

Obviously all three would be too much. Dobson+10 for 3+lesser asset (Thrun/Ferraro) might be feasible.

 

[impaaaaaact]

I'm not dong that from a isles POV anywhere. Trying a top 10 pick, a proven #1 offensvie RD and a shutdown LD Defenseman both 25....are you freaking serious. HELL No...for an unproven prospect.

Oh I wasn’t adding that to Dobson lol.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Sorry, was the offer Dobson+Romanov+10? I thought it was just the latter two since OP said "not much".

Obviously all three would be too much. Dobson+10 for 3+lesser asset (Thrun/Ferraro) might be feasible.

Dobson should be enough for the #3 IMO. I like the LI narrative as much as anyone else, but it seems like a weird trade

 

[Juxtaposer]

Dobson should be enough for the #3 IMO. I like the LI narrative as much as anyone else, but it seems like a weird trade

No shot. Again, if Dobson were 22 and had years of team control then absolutely. But the contract status is a big dent in his value.

 

[impaaaaaact]

No shot. Again, if Dobson were 22 and had years of team control then absolutely. But the contract status is a big dent in his value.

What add would you be looking for?

 

[Beauterham]

St.Louis might be interested as an upgrade over Faulk. What would you ask for him?

Prospect wise, Dvorsky + Snuggerud are off the table, Stenberg and Fischer very likely too. All other prospects are fair game to me. We also still have all of our future 1st round picks left.

 

[impaaaaaact]

St.Louis might be interested as an upgrade over Faulk. What would you ask for him?

Prospect wise, Dvorsky + Snuggerud are off the table, Stenberg and Fischer very likely too. All other prospects are fair game to me. We also still have all of our future 1st round picks left.

not sure if there's a prospect that works that isn't Dvorsky or Snuggerud

 

[SirPaste]

St.Louis might be interested as an upgrade over Faulk. What would you ask for him?

Prospect wise, Dvorsky + Snuggerud are off the table, Stenberg and Fischer very likely too. All other prospects are fair game to me. We also still have all of our future 1st round picks left.

You are basically taking everything of interest off the table. I would be interested in Dobson but the price tag of both the trade and the extension are worrisome. They would probably want Neighbours + 1st and another prospect I would think.

 

[impaaaaaact]

You are basically taking everything of interest off the table. I would be interested in Dobson but the price tag of both the trade and the extension are worrisome. They would probably want Neighbours + 1st and another prospect I would think.

Neighbors + 1st + 2nd probably gets it done

 

[Beauterham]

You are basically taking everything of interest off the table. I would be interested in Dobson but the price tag of both the trade and the extension are worrisome. They would probably want Neighbours + 1st and another prospect I would think.

Eventhough we made the playoffs, we're still in the retool phase, albeit at the end of it. Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Stenberg and Lindstein (forgot to mention him) are going to be important pieces of our roster in the near future.

I'd do 25 1st, 26 1st and, for example, Ralph + potentially a lesser pick/prospect. That package is probably in the same value range as the proposed MTL trade of Hage + 1st + 2nd.

Neighbors + 1st + 2nd probably gets it done

I don't see the Blues trading Neighbours. He's very popular within the organization and is seen as a future captain.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Eventhough we made the playoffs, we're still in the retool phase, albeit at the end of it. Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Stenberg and Lindstein (forgot to mention him) are going to be important pieces of our roster in the near future.

I'd do 25 1st, 26 1st and, for example, Ralph + potentially a lesser pick/prospect. That package is probably in the same value range as the proposed MTL trade of Hage + 1st + 2nd.




I don't see the Blues trading Neighbours. He's very popular within the organization and is seen as a future captain.

Isles would be looking for NHL ready or very close forwards. We have a glut of second round LHD so Ralph isn't really fitting an organizational need.

 

[The Don Hughes]

You know the drill, Isles have 75 defensemen under contract and at least one of them needs to go. Dobson is the easiest to move and will get the biggest return. Would prefer to send him to the west coast in case he turns into Pietrangelo. Assuming your team gets to work out a contract with him beforehand, what kind of offer comes through? Some ideas, let me know how off I am:


SJ: Wiliam Eklund + DAL 1st

SEA: Dobson + NYI 2025 1st for Rehkopf, SEA 2025 and 2026 1st (top 3 protected)

MTL: Hage + 1st + 2nd

I can't see Montreal moving Hage for another position than a C

 

[SirPaste]

Eventhough we made the playoffs, we're still in the retool phase, albeit at the end of it. Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Stenberg and Lindstein (forgot to mention him) are going to be important pieces of our roster in the near future.

I'd do 25 1st, 26 1st and, for example, Ralph + potentially a lesser pick/prospect. That package is probably in the same value range as the proposed MTL trade of Hage + 1st + 2nd.




I don't see the Blues trading Neighbours. He's very popular within the organization and is seen as a future captain.

Yea but that kind of package isn't going to get you Dobson, that was my point. I could see them moving Neighbours in a deal like this, it would all depend on if they believe they could get Dobson locked up at a reasonable deal which is a total unknown to us right now. It's not likely but something to explore as Dobson would fit right into the retool age wise as a core piece in a position of need.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Lets say Isles go full rebuild would this be enough or too much?


To MTL :

Bo Horvat - C
Noah Dobson - RD
Islanders 2nd round pick

To NYI :

Micheal Hage - C
Logan Mailloux - RD
Owen Beck - C
Flames 1st - 16th
Habs 1st - 17th


Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Horvat - Demidov
Heinemen - Kapanen - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gallagher

Guhle - Dobson
Hutson - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

We've discussed Sharks packages for Dobson ad nauseum. Let's get crazy.

Sharks fall to 3, Isles want Hagens. What are you adding to Dobson to get the pick?

Dobson + the Colorado first round pick?

 

[Beauterham]

Isles would be looking for NHL ready or very close forwards. We have a glut of second round LHD so Ralph isn't really fitting an organizational need.

Pfff... Probably only Peterson and Kaskimaki fit that bill. And I don't see them being more then bottom 6 forwards to be honest. Stancl and Pekarcik are probably a bit higher on our prospect rankings but they're also a bit further away to the NHL.

I don't see a direct fit unless we somehow make it a 3 team trade where a 3rd party includes an NHL ready young forward in that case.

Yea but that kind of package isn't going to get you Dobson, that was my point. I could see them moving Neighbours in a deal like this, it would all depend on if they believe they could get Dobson locked up at a reasonable deal which is a total unknown to us right now. It's not likely but something to explore as Dobson would fit right into the retool age wise as a core piece in a position of need.

Let's say that STL adds a UFA winger in the offseason I could see a potential path that one of our young wingers become available. But even then I don't see it being Neighbours (future captain) or Snuggerud (we don't have a lot of right hand shots). Bolduc is probably the most logical option. Eventhough it would probably cause me to throw a bit up in my own mouth.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Lets say Isles go full rebuild would this be enough or too much?


To MTL :

Bo Horvat - C
Noah Dobson - RD
Islanders 2nd round pick

To NYI :

Micheal Hage - C
Logan Mailloux - RD
Owen Beck - C
Flames 1st - 16th
Habs 1st - 17th


Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Horvat - Demidov
Heinemen - Kapanen - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gallagher

Guhle - Dobson
Hutson - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher

Not a horrible trade proposal if the Isles did want to go in that direction. Not sure I'd do it, but at least my first reaction wasn't "what the?!?!" so that's a plus.

 

[isles55]

Selling low on Dobson is a terrible idea.

NYI can run DeAngelo/Pulock/Mayfield/Boqvist and be fine from a production standpoint.

If they can roll Dobson’s impact into a forward they will be tremendously more balanced as a club.

This right side D is horrible.