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I wouldn't pay Dobson as a #1 because he's not. He can't PK, can't defend, and can't close out games.
Player Discussion: Noah Dobson
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Well naturally, the problem with that train of thought is that he's a full-fledged UFA next summer.
You'd take the risk that he'd just decide to go wherever else he may want to go, even if the offer there is no better than here. Then the ball is fully in his court.
It would be even if he had another 40-point season.
Then you've lost a 26-year-old 40-70 point righty shot Dman for nothing.
I don't think any rational GM can let it get to that.
I certainly don't think whoever is coming in is going to kick off his/her tenure by taking that approach.
The 8th year is something only the Islanders could offer Dobson as a UFA. If he doesn’t signal that he’s going to re-sign with the Isles as a UFA you trade him leading up to the TDL and make your best hand.
In this market, if Dobson were a UFA this offseason, he'd easily be given a 6+ year deal averaging 7 MM or more.
Easily.
Probably more, 'cause what I just described is basically the deal Neal Pionk just got.
So, we're not getting around it.
If the new management doesn't see him as worth it for any reason, including those you mention, then he has to be moved - as in this offseason.
You save yourself the headache of playing with fire.
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We should all keep in the back of our minds what we learned this spring. If the idea is that you retain the services of DeAngelo and Boqvist, it makes the necessity of keeping a Dobson around all that less, well, necessary.
Especially if you turn around and are able to move him in a blockbuster like i.e. Dobson for Newhook, Mailloux, and a bevy of picks, inlcuding 1st rounders.
Montreal (as with several other teams) is ready for the next step.
Yes, could be done.
My preference is that the Isles forego that path, 'cause things can get real heated if he's got 50-some points at the deadline and is ultimately a key, minute-munching portion of a playoff-bound team, yet management has decided that it actually would rather part with him 'cause it doesn't really want to give him those 8 years or the money involved and certainly isn't ready to just let him walk in the summer.
If we’re a playoff-bound team in your scenario then the Isles will give him what he wants in term, because it’s likely that Dobson is helping to carry the load like we hoped he would.
Then this fanbase has him for 8 years and things will get ugly when/if he starts pulling a Darnell Nurse at some point along the way.
It just sounds very much like a Lamorielloish path of business.
Give him the Pionk deal now or move him. Be ahead of the curve.
I'm thinking that's what will be asked of whoever is coming in.
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I think these things you mentioned can be coached into him. Most of the problem with defending and closing out games are his reads. The entire defense took a step backwards this season and I’d lay some of that on Tommy Albelin. I’d like to see a new defense coach working with Dobson next season. Also an off season where he works on his upper body for real this time.
The one thing you can’t teach is offensive instincts. Dobson has those and I’m going to stick with him as long as I can.
7 years is too much for Dobson if you’re already drawing the line at the 8th year. If so, then you should be trading him at the draft.
Ok, I thought he got 7x$8M.
Pionk got 6x$7M which is still an overpay for him but more in line for an offensive defenseman. If Dobson accepts that I’m fine with it.
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I don't think you can teach the necessary defensive style I'd want to see so I'd be fine moving him. He just cannot be paid to be the #1. There's no snarl or physicality to his game, and he's not a good enough skater to create offense on his own. Simply put, he's not dynamic enough offensively to make up for his shortcomings defensively.
I don’t think 12 million is unrealistic if he has another 70+ point season, plays above average defensively, and finishes top 10 in Norris voting again. How many UFAs that age are out there? And with the cap going up significantly over the next few years all bets are out the window. I hope we don’t get to that point.
How much better is Dobson than Tony D.?
He Ain't gonna cost you 8 million and I think he is slightly better defensively....
Scared to death to get another under-performing homegrown Islander....
See Barzal.....
He Ain't gonna cost you 8 million and I think he is slightly better defensively....
Scared to death to get another under-performing homegrown Islander....
See Barzal.....
I don’t want to hear about Dobson not being “clutch” in the playoffs considering the Hurricanes just made the Devils look like an AHL team.
A lot.
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Dobson still looking for his first career playoff goal (31 games). He shrinks in the big moments.
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In the playoff games where he was played ~20:00 ATOI the entire team was looking to score goals. This is a weird nit-pick.
In the 19 playoff game stretch of 2021, he was not getting big time or PP mins.
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Even looking at the bigger picture, .32 playoff PPG for a guy likely looking for 9M on a long term deal has disaster written all over it. I just haven’t seen him play at a level that warrants that kind of deal.
We played Carolina in back to back playoffs. Carolina have shown they can make very good players look mediocre. Dobson’s lack of production in the last two playoff years shouldn’t be held against him.
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We need a guy like Dobson producing at his 2024 form just to make the playoffs.
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