No more NTC's or NMC's.

[keonsbitterness]

The NHL should push for no NMCs in the last year of a deal. Substantial player movement in the current sports media environment is much needed free publicity there for the taking. League needs to get out of the Bettman dark ages.

 

[Nineteen67]

Trades and movement are good for the fans, but players don’t get paid enough to be uprooted at the will of their GM, but they could get rid full no move clauses which would allow GMs to waive players that are not performing.

 

[MK78]

These are also real people and most of the time real people prefer stability over nearly anything else so good luck getting top UFAs or re-signing our best players without offering some type of NTC or NMC.

These are sports teams, and the ultimate goal is to win, so peak performance is needed. If a player isn't up to performance with one team, why shouldn't he be moved? He's guaranteed the money.

There are plenty of jobs out there that families can be uprooted for.

 

[Fogelhund]

Some of you have no idea how this works. There is zero chance that NTC's/NMC's will be removed from the CBA. Pretty much ever top player has one, and will continue to have one, no matter what the team is. Even mid level players have them quite often today, and in particular UFA's... they have earned the right to have a say in where they work.... as do you.

 

[Tak7]

You can not give NMCs and NTCs if you want, but good luck attracting stars and getting them to sign/resign here.

All the stars in the game have them now. They are part of the fabric.

And now that there's this renewed focus on how toxic and bad and hard the Toronto market is, which will only get worse as the Marner scenario plays out to it's inevitable conclusion? You're simply not going to be able to attract players here without trade protection.

We already saw it play out with David Perron in Free Agency last year - equal offers, and he chose Ottawa over Toronto due to "less pressure" and the trade protection they gave him (think it's a 15-team NTC)

 

[SImpelton]

Outside perspective here, but the Leafs seem to feel pressured to make big dramatic gestures to appease the fanbase, and one of the consequences of that is that when these big, dramatic gestures don't go perfectly, and they never go perfectly, you get stuck with a lot of dead cap and immovable players.

As it is Toronto is not going to have a first round draft pick for awhile. It's way easier to say this for me since I'm not from the area, but it may be just time to pull back, keep the proverbial powder dry, and begin a restock of the farm system. I'm not an expert on the Leafs farm talent but from what little I do see the cupboard is pretty bare down there right now and that's a problem with a lot of existing gaps in the big-boy team to deal with..

I'm just saying, rather than bringing in more high priced free agents to make your roster crunch even worse it might be time to work the waiver wire, try to target high potential low cost talent from other teams and try to build broad instead of tall for awhile. Hell that's what my Bruins were doing last year and we fluked into a President's Trophy due to a lot of those guys plus homegrown talent gelling together out of nowhere.

 

[The Masters]

owners should fight to eliminate

NBA doesn't have any except for 1 guy in Beal

but they are hard to get not like the NHL

and look at all the action in the NBA has - way better drama too

 

[Community]

These are sports teams, and the ultimate goal is to win, so peak performance is needed. If a player isn't up to performance with one team, why shouldn't he be moved? He's guaranteed the money.

There are plenty of jobs out there that families can be uprooted for.

There are far more jobs in the world where families are not asked to move across (or to a different) country (especially with no notice).

And if you're in the top 1% of your chosen career, you usually have a lot more say in whether or not you move because you're extremely valued. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that full NTC or NMCs shouldn't be a thing.

It's a moot point anyways as its in the CBA and unlikely to ever be changed. If you don't like it, you can try to start offering no NMCs or limited NTCs... but if its the difference between us signing or not signing somebody like Marner or a top UFA target than its a silly hill to die on. You sign these star players because you believe they will be here throughout their contracts and be valuable additions.

 

[thewave]

owners should fight to eliminate

NBA doesn't have any except for 1 guy in Beal

but they are hard to get not like the NHL

and look at all the action in the NBA has - way better drama too

I loved trades in sport. It so interesting and each one is like a surprise to see whatever we got or didn't.

Big trades are sometimes more interesting than the first half of the regular season itself.

 

[FerrisRox]

The NHL should push for no NMCs in the last year of a deal. Substantial player movement in the current sports media environment is much needed free publicity there for the taking. League needs to get out of the Bettman dark ages.

Gary Bettman has nothing to do with No Trade clauses or NMC.

Gary Bettman is an employee who works for the Board of Governors. He has no vote in terms of league rules, the CBA, or even if and when the league will expand and where they might put teams.

99 percent of the stuff he gets blamed for on HFBoards are things he doesn't have any say in. The Board of Governors vote and make all the rules for the league, not Gary Bettman.

 

[Aashir]

the issue isn't NMC or NTC for depth pieces, that's a league problem, not a team problem which isn't going to change so just face reality and accept that

the problem is giving RFAs full NMCs. Why on earth did marner get a full NMC the last two years. Draisaitl didn't, Pastrnak didn't and still hasn't either

Rantanen got it on the UFA but he signed 12x8, way less than the average. M-NTC in the RFA deal too.

Matthew Knies should not be given an NMC unless we get a discount. If he wants 7.5x8 the last few years should be a M-NTC and if he wants a full NMC is should cost him some money.

 

[bodechek]

As much as I am not a fan of these clauses, it does help sign players to long term deals. And to a player's defence, it is difficult to up-root your family dynamic during the regular season because said player was traded during the season.

 

[mydnyte]

NTC's have cost us Marner. Don't give NTC's or NMC's to anyone who hasn't earned them.

The way you earn an NMC or NTC is by winning. Win a cup and maybe we consider an NTC.

If you don't want to sign without one then the Leafs don't need you. If Leafs bring in players without NTC's and they don't work out, then fine, we can recoup assets. It happens all the time.

Leafs have become a country club for big paydays and NTC's.

NO MORE!!

good luck with that. its a standard UFA negotiation tool

 

[bax]

Trades and movement are good for the fans, but players don’t get paid enough to be uprooted at the will of their GM, but they could get rid full no move clauses which would allow GMs to waive players that are not performing.

They don't? I haven't done any actual digging into who is getting what but wouldn't it be safe to guess that the players who actually get the NMC/NTC's are making millions?

 

[tp71]

NTC's have cost us Marner. Don't give NTC's or NMC's to anyone who hasn't earned them.

The way you earn an NMC or NTC is by winning. Win a cup and maybe we consider an NTC.

If you don't want to sign without one then the Leafs don't need you. If Leafs bring in players without NTC's and they don't work out, then fine, we can recoup assets. It happens all the time.

Leafs have become a country club for big paydays and NTC's.

NO MORE!!

Be prepared to sign no one.

 

[Nineteen67]

They don't? I haven't done any actual digging into who is getting what but wouldn't it be safe to guess that the players who actually get the NMC/NTC's are making millions?

The highest paid player makes ~ 14 million and that’s peanuts in the world of sports.
Max Domi, for example, is taking home in t roughly in tge 2.5 million range, would you uproot at the whim at your GM for that? I certainly wouldn’t.

 

[bax]

The highest paid player makes ~ 14 million and that’s peanuts in the world of sports.
Max Domi, for example, is taking home in t roughly in tge 2.5 million range, would you uproot at the whim at your GM for that? I certainly wouldn’t.

In the world of sports, sure. But to say they don’t make enough to move is a bit of a stretch.

Domi signed a 4 year 15 million dollar contract. He’ll be fine. It wouldn’t be ideal for his family I’m sure and not their first choice but something tells me they would manage.

 

[Woodman19]

My issue with the leafs has been:

Giving shorter term for players RFA years is a benefit to the players.
Giving the highest possible AAV is a benefit to the players.
Giving NTC/NMC is a benefit to the players.

Typically you offer these to get something back on the other so you give the NTC for a longer or less AAV etc etc, the leafs in their infinite wisdom have decided we are supposed to give the players absolutely everything in a contract and we end up killing ourselves since no one else in the league operates like this. We are literally bidding against ourselves.

 

[Nineteen67]

In the world of sports, sure. But to say they don’t make enough to move is a bit of a stretch.

Domi signed a 4 year 15 million dollar contract. He’ll be fine. It wouldn’t be ideal for his family I’m sure and not their first choice but something tells me they would manage.

Since he can’t negotiate for more money he negotiates stability.

 

[nuck]

Nothing wrong with giving NTCs and NMCs but they need to put more value on it as an organization.

A player should be giving a bigger discount for having that added to their contract.

Or any discount at all Modified NT in the final year for sure. Lots of clubs stick to that. Dubas' lack of experience and Tre's lack of sack really hurt the team. I find it extremely hard to believe that would have been a deal breaker for any contract except Matthews last one.

 

[nuck]

My issue with the leafs has been:

Giving shorter term for players RFA years is a benefit to the players.
Giving the highest possible AAV is a benefit to the players.
Giving NTC/NMC is a benefit to the players.

Typically you offer these to get something back on the other so you give the NTC for a longer or less AAV etc etc, the leafs in their infinite wisdom have decided we are supposed to give the players absolutely everything in a contract and we end up killing ourselves since no one else in the league operates like this. We are literally bidding against ourselves.

You forgot annual signing bonuses that put most of the contract in the players hands before they start playing. I wonder how much Kyle was afraid he would have to have to pay without all those perks