Daisy Jane
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no but what i mean is.
we picked up their contracts and they have 15 rights, right? that 10/5 thinger? so that means they can't be moved.
Blue Jays Discussion: No More AA: Buckle Up, Folks... It's Going To Be A Wild Offseason
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no but what i mean is.
we picked up their contracts and they have 15 rights, right? that 10/5 thinger? so that means they can't be moved.
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JS19
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No kidding. Because of this, I think Price is now gone rather than being 50/50, and who knows what the roster looks like when the season starts.
It's not that they can't be moved. It's that any trade involving them can be vetoed by them. It's basically a NTC with much greater control.
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The team was 51-52 at the trade deadline, in spite of the historic offense and good defense (Reyes notwithstanding). Entirely due to pitching.
If you take last years pitching: add stroman, take away Buerhle and Estrada. Take out lowe ftom the bullpen. Does that scream "competitive" to you?
In other words, if prospect trades a la AA are completely off the table, Shapiro had better go to Rogers, hat in hand, and beg for a check labeled "mlb pitching". And if they say no, dumping the guys whose value is literally never going to be higher is a prudent move.
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Do me a favour, stand up straight and do a 360. Then tell me which direction you are facing.
Wink.
That should have very little impact on the Jays. "What we're doing here" with Cleveland meant trying to field a relatively competitive team while competing the Tampa Bay and Florida for the lowest payroll in the league. Obviously free agency didn't fit as part of their plan.
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If Shapiro is stupid enough to get rid of Bautista I hope he goes wherever AA lands and comes back to haunt the Jays. Im so turned off by this move, i can't believe how we went from riding the high of being two games from the world series to this BS. Between going behind Beestons back last year to find his replacement to dropping the ball with resigning AA i've had enough of Rogers bush league moves.
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You don't think that'll continue with how much Rogers is allergic to spending money on the team? Especially considering the whole "wow you gave up too many prospects" from Shapiro.
Estrada wasn't even in the rotation to start the year. Things change.
They're obviously not going to do absolutely nothing this offseason. They could sign a couple back-end starters and still be the AL East favourites.
Longshot
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???
How does it not make sense for a rebuilding team to pick up those options?
Whether they're rebuilding or not, it's smart business to exercise the Dickey, EE and Bautista options. If you're going to try and win - you have them. If you're going to rebuild - you can trade them for assets that match your rebuilding timeline.
The thing that makes the least amount of sense is declining the options and letting them all leave for nothing.
The Jays had a payroll of $140 million last year. Cleveland started the year at $77 million and dumped salary throughout the season.
The two situations are in no way comparable.
Longshot
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It means they can veto any trade. It doesn't mean no trade is possible. They would have to approve any move is all.
This may just ruin my next few days. Terrible news to wake up too. However AA was offered an extension and didn't accept for whatever the reasons are. Whatever that's life and business.
Good luck AA in the future. You are awesome and left many great memories
I am sad though
Good luck AA in the future. You are awesome and left many great memories
I am sad though
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This is what happens with corporate ownership of sports teams. In the corporate world, usually when a new exec comes in they feel the need to make some significant change to put their stamp on their organization. Lower level execs and managers are often seen as fungible; resources to be allocated as the company needs. They wouldn't consider someone like AA as important or irreplaceable as we fans do, because in their minds they, the senior execs, are just as responsible for the company's success as the people who work under them. They believe that, even if someone like AA was successful due to his talent, they can recruit someone just as talented to replace him. After all, that's why they work above him.
It's a joke, it's happened to the Leafs multiple times over the past decades too. They didn't lose anyone as good as AA, but there have been all sorts of front office cluster****s where the top hockey guy (if there was one), was undermined by a meddling board or non-hockey President. Now it's happening to the Jays. Don't be surprised if the same thing happens to Shanny before he's able to finish what he's started, maybe even within the next year or two if this Air Canada guy turns out to be a megalomaniac like his predecessors.
It's a joke, it's happened to the Leafs multiple times over the past decades too. They didn't lose anyone as good as AA, but there have been all sorts of front office cluster****s where the top hockey guy (if there was one), was undermined by a meddling board or non-hockey President. Now it's happening to the Jays. Don't be surprised if the same thing happens to Shanny before he's able to finish what he's started, maybe even within the next year or two if this Air Canada guy turns out to be a megalomaniac like his predecessors.
Daisy Jane
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oh thanks for the clarification
while I know the team excited before August 15th - still not clear on everything
The overreaction is too funny. I love the assumptions that have come up. Good lord, relax people.
JS19
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I'm not comparing the two situations. I'm implying that Rogers might not want to move north of 140/150mil if it meant bolstering the rotation, and Shapiro can fit into the plan of cheapening things.
Daisy Jane
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i think...
everyone needs to take a deep breath and see where this goes before people freak out.
everyone needs to take a deep breath and see where this goes before people freak out.
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