Blue Jays Discussion: No longer the off-season. It's time for real baseball

[TheBeastCoast]

You must have pretty bad reading comprehension cause I did no such thing.

I just pointed out that it's funny how out of nowhere, especially after a bad spring and a negative outcome in a particular at bat someone would go "Woot! Breakout on the way."

That would be like a guy just blowing a save and I were to go, "woot he's gonna be an elite closer!"

You're making the argument that catchers often breakout at this age. Let's assume that's true. That has nothing to do with my argument cause no one took that position and I didn't reply to it.

Nor did they refer to underlying numbers (which based on my looks at exit velo, hard hit rate, etc are not obvious breakout level like say Teoscar or Gurriel). I'm simply pointing out the incongruous and counter intuitive juxtaposition of negative outcome and positive projection.

That isn't the same thing at all....Jansen had a great at bat against Cole where he struck out. Like objectively. He saw a lot of pitches and was rung up on a pitch that was arguable off the plate...to the best pitcher in baseball. And again him breaking out isn't being held to the same standard that Teoscar was to have an offensive breakout. Teoscar broke out to like a 148 OPS+ hitter. JT Realmuto is considered the best catcher in all of baseball and is a career 111 OPS+. Jansen really does not have to get that much better to be a top 10 catcher in baseball. That is just a fact.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

haha vlad did the mathews point at the ump after that out

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Let's see how the defense translates before anointing anything.

Fair enough. But more often than not, the guy who hits is going to get more playing time at the end of the day and I don't think Kirk's defense is so terrible as to to negate his offense. In fact, in 52 catcher innings he was basically average defensively except in throwing.

 

[Discoverer]

I understand why people would not believe in Jansen going forward. I disagree, but it makes sense to some extent. Pretending there are no reasons to expect significant improvement, though, is just crazy.

 

[Morgs]

Fair enough. But more often than not, the guy who hits is going to get more playing time at the end of the day and I don't think Kirk's defense is so terrible as to to negate his offense. In fact, in 52 catcher innings he was basically average defensively except in throwing.

The thing is about the Jays is that our offense is so stacked that borderline elite defense in a premium position with a below average bat may be more valuable to the team than an above average hitter with average defense.

Either way I've been waiting for the inevitable Jansen breakout for years and I'm not about to give up now. If the guy ran even a below average babip he'd probably be an average hitter.

 

[Canucks LB]

Is this the opening night

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Is this the opening night

It is.

 

[Canada4Gold]

That's 45 balls now that the Yankees have grounded down the 3rd base line that just barely went foul

 

[Canada4Gold]

Is this the opening night

Should I just say yes or should I say nope it's opening day instead?

 

[as Pure as Evil]

we dont have the stupid extra innings bs from last year do we? runner starting on second rule

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Cavan Biggio's arm looks surprisingly better at 3rd than at 2nd. I'm sure there's a scientific explanation for this but I don't know it.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

Cavan Biggio's arm looks surprisingly better at 3rd than at 2nd. I'm sure there's a scientific explanation for this but I don't know it.

i think it will come down more to him getting comfortable at the position. but yeah he looks decent over there

 

[Discoverer]

Cavan Biggio's arm looks surprisingly better at 3rd than at 2nd. I'm sure there's a scientific explanation for this but I don't know it.

I wonder if it's the footwork and body positioning/angle or something? (I've only been able to watch sporadically so far, so I'm obviously just guessing.)

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I know it's just the first game but I want this win. Come on Phelps.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

f***ing Phelps.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Phew.

 

[Discoverer]

Phew.

The arm didn't matter so much there, but I liked the quickness of the play by Biggio to get it started. Nice defense all around there.

 

[Budz]

Vladdy and Semein have been great defensively.

 

[The Nemesis]

There's a GDT for games now, everyone.

Blue Jays GDT: - 2021 v1 | ***OPENING DAY*** @NYY | 1pm ET/10am PT | Ryu vs Cole

 

[theaub]

I wonder if it's the footwork and body positioning/angle or something? (I've only been able to watch sporadically so far, so I'm obviously just guessing.)

Momentum taking you naturally towards first.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

Boombachachalottaboomboombop

Love these Jays!!!

 

[Le Cobra]

Is this being broadcast on AM radio

 

[Man Bear Pig]

I really dont get why they had Jansen bunting there, especially with 2 strikes. So dumb.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

That Merryweather looks like a good one. I know hes a 29yo rookie, but do the Jays really have any other overpowering arms like that? And he was a starter right so they could use him in multiple innings situations as well right?

 

[habamillions]

I really dont get why they had Jansen bunting there, especially with 2 strikes. So dumb.

If you are the home team in a tie game sure. But not as the road team