No charges over Adam Johnson death

[Beerz]

And yet Lehkonen was allowed to do the same thing in the NHL playoffs and score a goal that way.

I'm not watching playoffs... have video of whatever you're talking about?

 

[nbwingsfan]

It's objectively not as seen by the fact that nobody has died from those sorts of hits.

The reason it has never happened is because Hockey players are not stupid enough to do what Petgrave did.

He has a history of doing this:



And even his former coach said this:

"I think he could do it" - Matt Petgrave's former coach makes damning admission on Steelers defenceman

In a tragic incident that shook the ice hockey community, Sheffield Steelers defenseman Matt Petgrave has come under intense scrutiny following the death of Adam Johnson.

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Literally the definition of manslaughter

This isn’t even remotely the same type of play and ridiculous to say otherwise

 

[nbwingsfan]

Here was a close call in the NHL of a guy being reckless with his legs/feet. Dallas D-man clearly kicks his leg out to hook/get a piece of NSH player, and it rode up high like Petgrave's.

The people who want Petgrave charged really have no answers for this. If the same thing happened to Mccaron, would you want jail time here ?

 

[HTFN]

The people who want Petgrave charged really have no answers for this. If the same thing happened to Mccaron, would you want jail time here ?

I think some of us are at a point where we have to believe that Petgrave did it on purpose or else more needs to be done to reconcile with the fact that this could have happened (NSFW) before and might happen (NSFW) again.

Because it was this bad, people have started to convince themselves that any athlete is capable of full control at all times. It had to be something besides maybe a shitty sports decision and astronomically bad luck, but even that probably shouldn't get you manslaughter and a sentence like that's "justice".

It's kind of wild and hard to reconcile with for me personally.

 

[Shrimper]

Am I the only not-blind person who sees Petgrave get clipped by the other opposing player right before he hits Johnson

He was clipped by someone and lost his balance, which is why his leg went up. This has been ignored

 

[ijuka]

Not happy about this, but oh well.

 

[ijuka]

He was clipped by someone and lost his balance, which is why his leg went up. This has been ignored

My view, and that of his family, is that that's not a natural way for his leg to have gone up unintentionally. It wasn't an impact like that.

 

[D1az]

It's objectively not as seen by the fact that nobody has died from those sorts of hits.

The reason it has never happened is because Hockey players are not stupid enough to do what Petgrave did.

He has a history of doing this:



And even his former coach said this:

"I think he could do it" - Matt Petgrave's former coach makes damning admission on Steelers defenceman

In a tragic incident that shook the ice hockey community, Sheffield Steelers defenseman Matt Petgrave has come under intense scrutiny following the death of Adam Johnson.

www.sportskeeda.com

Literally the definition of manslaughter

Yep, when looking at this it is clear that it was just a matter of time before something like this happened with what he had been doing.

He should have faced charges and hopefully a punishment for some sort of justice, and also make it very clear to the hockey community as a whole that if you have this sort of tactics in your "skillset" then you are bound to pay for it if someone suffers because of it.

 

[Beerz]

The people who want Petgrave charged really have no answers for this. If the same thing happened to Mccaron, would you want jail time here ?

Why would there be jail time? That is unintentional as a result of a hit. Basic physics.

Petgrave is an intentional kick of his leg that resulted in death.

This play isn't close to the same thing.

 

[Beerz]

I think some of us are at a point where we have to believe that Petgrave did it on purpose or else more needs to be done to reconcile with the fact that this could have happened (NSFW) before and might happen (NSFW) again.

Because it was this bad, people have started to convince themselves that any athlete is capable of full control at all times. It had to be something besides maybe a shitty sports decision and astronomically bad luck, but even that probably shouldn't get you manslaughter and a sentence like that's "justice".

It's kind of wild and hard to reconcile with for me personally.

You have to be bat shit crazy to think that those 2 instances are anything like this one.

Disingenuous.

 

[HTFN]

You have to be bat shit crazy to think that those 2 instances are anything like this one.

Disingenuous.

No, I think you need a better argument than "it has to be intentional because it can't happen otherwise" when that's clearly not true even among NHL level professionals. The entirety of your argument is that you feel he did it intentionally but that's not enough to send someone to prison and it's not demonstrably true here in a way that leaves no doubt.

 

[Beerz]

No, I think you need a better argument than "it has to be intentional because it can't happen otherwise" when that's clearly not true even among NHL level professionals. The entirety of your argument is that you feel he did it intentionally but that's not enough to send someone to prison and it's not demonstrably true here in a way that leaves no doubt.

No.. it is you who says "just because" ... My side has Science and past similar behavior on video.

 

[Shrimper]

My view, and that of his family, is that that's not a natural way for his leg to have gone up unintentionally. It wasn't an impact like that.

His family have not said a lot for very obvious reasons

Johnson's aunt Kari has now spoken out following the arrest, saying: "We're just going to have to let it play out and see what happens. Whatever they'd decided, I would have had to live with it. But I'm just glad they are being diligent with doing what they're supposed to be doing."

I also seem to remember that after it happened Johnson's team-mates did not blame Petgrave and said it was an accident.

The people that were on the ice, and the people in the stands, they know no-one wants to do something like this. It’s such a freak accident and it is so fast. You can watch the video and you can zoom in and you can slow it down and do all these things," he said. Adam Johnson death: Team-mate Victor Bjorkung still gets 'flashbacks'

 

[CHGoalie27]

If you think it was an accident you didn't watch the video.

 

[CHGoalie27]

Good, criminal charges would have been ridiculous. Obviously what happened was terrible but it was not outside of the risks associated with playing hockey. Petgrave's punishment should be hockey related, not a court case.

He f*cking ninja kicked someone to the neck with his skate. You didnt watch it??

 

[CHGoalie27]

Insane on a hockey forum there are so many people who think he should be charged.

It's insane how many people, like yourself, didn't actually have the stomach to watch the video.

Petgrave wasn't upended, he jump kicked around the guy people think knocked him off balance

 

[CHGoalie27]

He was clipped by someone and lost his balance, which is why his leg went up. This has been ignored

WRONG. HE JUMPED OFF HIS RIGHT LEG AND MISSED THE CUT OFF GUY BEFORE KICKING UP INTO ADAM'S NECK WITH HIS LEFT. WITH EXTENSION.

The fact that so many have such strong opinions on something they clearly didn't watch...is not the least bit surprising.

 

[Shrimper]

WRONG. HE JUMPED OFF HIS RIGHT LEG AND MISSED THE CUT OFF GUY BEFORE KICKING UP INTO ADAM'S NECK WITH HIS LEFT. WITH EXTENSION.

The fact that so many have such strong opinions on something they clearly didn't watch...is not the least bit surprising.

I've watched it. They cipped and lost his balance

Johnson's team mates said the same;

One of Johnson's teammates, 27-year-old Westin Michaud, who joined the Panthers from Denmark, has shared his thoughts on the situation in an attempt to stop the hate Petgrave has been receiving.

"I need to address something about the accident," he posted to X, formerly known as Twitter. "We wholeheartedly stand with Matt Petgrave. The hate that Matt is receiving is terrible and completely uncalled for. I was at ice level on the bench closest to the accident, I saw both players moving fast.

"The unintentional clip of the Panther player's leg by the Sheffield player caused the somersault. It's clear to me his actions were unintentional and anyone suggesting otherwise is mistaken. Let's come together and not spread unwarranted hate to someone who needs our support."

Another said it was a freak accident

 

[HabsForHire]

I am not not going to get into a lengthy discussion with anyone so dont bother responding...
Did Petgrave go into that game thinking "hey I'm going to kill someone tonight"? no. but did he use his skates to try and impede Johnson ? absolutely!!. he is a know goon who made a decision and it resulted in a death.
think of of this way, when someone is drunk and gets behind the wheel do they say "I'm killing someone tonight"? no. but when their dumb decision causes a death they have to face the consequences.
Is Petgrave a murderer? NO Did he make a dumb decision that resulted in a death ? YES.

End rant

 

[Beerz]

I've watched it. They cipped and lost his balance

Johnson's team mates said the same;



Another said it was a freak accident

When you trip..you fall...you don't do a roundhouse kick.

 

[JackSlater]

He f*cking ninja kicked someone to the neck with his skate. You didnt watch it??

I saw it a day or two after it happened, your description is obviously not accurate. Had he "ninja kicked" him then everyone would rightly demand charges, and I'd have to imagine that he would be charged at this moment.

 

[CHGoalie27]

I've watched it. They cipped and lost his balance

Johnson's team mates said the same;



Another said it was a freak accident

It doesnt matter what anyone says in contrast to what's shown. In order for it to have been a freak accident, the upending would've spun him and the back of the foot he jumped off would've got the neck. But that's not what happened. He wasn't knocked off balance at all, and that you dont need the close up, you can see the motion rom the rafters. And then the extension into the neck? No talking around that either.

One of the most disgusting things i ever saw and i wish i could unsee it. I wish i could come to the same conclusion.

 

[CHGoalie27]

I saw it a day or two after it happened, your description is obviously not accurate. Had he "ninja kicked" him then everyone would rightly demand charges, and I'd have to imagine that he would be charged at this moment.

Ok, so every dead whistleblower committed suicide then, otherwise there would be an investigation. Got it.

And the video shows the leg extension into the target after he jumped.

 

[JackSlater]

Ok, so every dead whistleblower committed suicide then, otherwise there would be an investigation. Got it.

And the video shows the leg extension into the target after he jumped.

I have no idea what the first part of your post is supposed to mean. As far as your interpretation of the video, it does not show someone attempting to kick someone in the head or neck. You can call it reckless and certainly what happened is terrible, but the authorities in England reached the correct conclusion in this instance.

 

[Voight]

Good, it was disgusting how long this was getting dragged out for.

I'm guessing they charged him to appease the vocal minority who thought this was murder and not an accident, then when the attention went away they dropped it.