Proposal: NJD-MTL

[thefutures]

Montreals biggest need is a sniper and a big need for Jersey is dmen. If the players were on opposite teams maybe this trade makes sense.

 

[Bouboumaster]

If it wasn't for the fact that Bergevin just picked every LD he could put his hands on, I'd do that trade, and would add to get Smith. He'll be very good.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Makes no sense for either team (for Smith or Butcher). I'm also not a fan of Caufield. We brought in enough of Jack's buddies. Don't need any more.

 

[CapSpace]

Butcher + 2020 1st round pick (top 10 protected) for Caufield

Lol

 

[GumbyCan2]

MTL: Ty Smith
NJD : Cole Caufield

MTL get a strong LHD prospect and NJD get the winger Hughes had so much success with.
Which team decline that deal?

MTL does unless another need, prospect is added. Colefield higher skill and level rating than Ty Smith from all I've read pre-draft? Who knows with draft picks/ prospects tho' until a year or 2 in that team's system. I say this as much from how Mtl perceives their own players value compared to the "open market" ( other teams).
Also, just curious? If Mtl values Ty Smith so high now, only 2 weeks after the draft, wouldn't they have drafted him? Wasn't Cole Caufield drafted ahead of Ty Smith?
You never with Mtl and Bergevin tho?

 

[GumbyCan2]

The Habs aren't trading Caufield lmao

Unless they pull off 'block-buster play getting Laine out of Winnipeg??
I could see Caufield and Nick Suzuki plus? being offered if that were the case.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Montreals biggest need is a sniper and a big need for Jersey is dmen. If the players were on opposite teams maybe this trade makes sense.

So comes the far-out possibility of them going after Hatrik Laine, in which pretty sure Caufield could be part of the return. There is an unsigned Sniper of proven status! As long as you don't expect heavy back-checking, hard fore-checking and non-stop hustle, effort out of him! Or PK, defensive duties.

 

[GumbyCan2]

So comes the far-out possibility of them going after Hatrik Laine, in which pretty sure Caufield could be part of the return. There is an unsigned Sniper of proven status! As long as you don't expect heavy back-checking, hard fore-checking and non-stop hustle, effort out of him! Or PK, defensive duties.

Could you see a possible offensive-threat line of L-Laine/C-Kotkaniemi/R-BGallagher!! May take 1/2 a season to gel, get comfortable and for Laine to adjust to the hype, fame, history of LaBelle du province and the Habs experience 1st hand.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

MTL does unless another need, prospect is added. Colefield higher skill and level rating than Ty Smith from all I've read pre-draft? Who knows with draft picks/ prospects tho' until a year or 2 in that team's system. I say this as much from how Mtl perceives their own players value compared to the "open market" ( other teams).
Also, just curious? If Mtl values Ty Smith so high now, only 2 weeks after the draft, wouldn't they have drafted him? Wasn't Cole Caufield drafted ahead of Ty Smith?
You never with Mtl and Bergevin tho?

Smith was drafted in 2018 not 2019

 

[Forge]

MTL does unless another need, prospect is added. Colefield higher skill and level rating than Ty Smith from all I've read pre-draft? Who knows with draft picks/ prospects tho' until a year or 2 in that team's system. I say this as much from how Mtl perceives their own players value compared to the "open market" ( other teams).
Also, just curious? If Mtl values Ty Smith so high now, only 2 weeks after the draft, wouldn't they have drafted him? Wasn't Cole Caufield drafted ahead of Ty Smith?
You never with Mtl and Bergevin tho?

Are you confused on what year Smith was drafted? This comment seems like you may be. Smith was drafted last year, not this year.

 

[ole ole]

I don't see either team doing the OP. Devils are very high on Smith, we need him, and his development is going exceptionally well relative to his draft position. I don't see Montreal trading Caufield right after drafting him, if they valued another type of player more there were some available.

That follow up proposal of Butcher + 1st rounder for Caufield is horrendous for the Devils.

I wouldn't trade CC for Butcher and your unprotected 1st let alone asking for it to be protected.
A #4 D-man for a player that has the chance of becoming a top 1st line player. [MOD]

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Habs prospects good
Devils prospects bad

 

[Blender]

I wouldn't trade CC for Butcher and your unprotected 1st let alone asking for it to be protected.
A #4 D-man for a player that has the chance of becoming a top 1st line player.[MOD].

A #4 defenseman who is still improving, only 24 years old, and is cost controlled. You're out of your mind if you think Caufield is worth that much, and you're acting like he was drafted in the top 3 not 15th.

Caufield could become a 1st liner in the same way Butcher could become a top pairing defenseman or the 1st could become a top 6 forward/top 4 defenseman. It's delusional to value Caufield like he's for sure a top player while discounting the other assets you don't have.

 

[GumbyCan2]

People are acting like Butcher is some throw in. His metrics at ES were better across the board in his 2nd year, but the Devils PP struggled (likely because Hall missed half the season). He's quickly becoming one of the more underrated young defenseman in the league. People keep thinking he's some fringe bottom pairing guy. His exit/possession numbers are excellent.

Caufield is a fine prospect, but how does he have more value than a 24 year old defenseman who has already put up +40 points in a season at the NHL level?

Yes, with Will Butcher's output and proving adjusting to NHL level, speed, sizeof players, I think any talk of Mtl getting Will Butcher includes alotmore than Caufield! I recall a writer proposing a Jacob Trouba for Will Butcher straight and TSN hockey panel, along with NJ D fans, posters were turning it down big time! NJD was demanding more added from Wpg. Butcher ain't going anywhere for a"prospect". Unless maybe Jack Hughes' his brother Quinn out of VCR???

 

[Billdo]

MTL: Ty Smith
NJD : Cole Caufield

MTL get a strong LHD prospect and NJD get the winger Hughes had so much success with.
Which team decline that deal?

New Jersey declines this faster than Mtl can dial Newark's area code

 

[Billdo]

Butcher + 2020 1st round pick (top 10 protected) for Caufield

Jesus no that's putrid. Log off.

 

[HBK27]

Both these players seem to fit a need within both their current organizations, so can obviously see why neither team pulls the trigger on this trade. Have to think Smith has slightly more value league-wide as both players were mid-1st round picks while Smith had a phenomenal D+1 season and plays a more valuable position, but it's close. Still, can understand Montreal fans not wanting to deal Caufield just weeks after being extremely fortunate that he fell to them in the draft.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Yes, with Will Butcher's output and proving adjusting to NHL level, speed, sizeof players, I think any talk of Mtl getting Will Butcher includes alotmore than Caufield! I recall a writer proposing a Jacob Trouba for Will Butcher straight and TSN hockey panel, along with NJ D fans, posters were turning it down big time! NJD was demanding more added from Wpg. Butcher ain't going anywhere for a"prospect". Unless maybe Jack Hughes' his brother Quinn out of VCR???

LOL, not sure if serious.

 

[Tanknation]

Yes, with Will Butcher's output and proving adjusting to NHL level, speed, sizeof players, I think any talk of Mtl getting Will Butcher includes alotmore than Caufield! I recall a writer proposing a Jacob Trouba for Will Butcher straight and TSN hockey panel, along with NJ D fans, posters were turning it down big time! NJD was demanding more added from Wpg. Butcher ain't going anywhere for a"prospect". Unless maybe Jack Hughes' his brother Quinn out of VCR???

Yea maybe 2 or 3 years ago and your last part
You for serious? NJ FANS please say something before your whole fan based gets stereotyped

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Yea maybe 2 or 3 years ago and your last part
You for serious? NJ FANS please say something before your whole fan based gets stereotyped

Any Devils fan that says no to Butcher + 2020 1st (top 10 protected) for Caufield with the premise that Jake Gardiner is signed to a 3 year contract is delusional.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

Yea maybe 2 or 3 years ago and your last part
You for serious? NJ FANS please say something before your whole fan based gets stereotyped

Why would a whole fan base get stereotyped because of one dudes opinion?

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

Montreal needs LHD now, not LHD prospects. They have LHD prospects. What they don't have (outside of Caufield) are prospects with massive goal-scoring upside.

Ty Smith is playing in the NHL this year

 

[Just Linda]

Yes, with Will Butcher's output and proving adjusting to NHL level, speed, sizeof players, I think any talk of Mtl getting Will Butcher includes alotmore than Caufield! I recall a writer proposing a Jacob Trouba for Will Butcher straight and TSN hockey panel, along with NJ D fans, posters were turning it down big time! NJD was demanding more added from Wpg. Butcher ain't going anywhere for a"prospect". Unless maybe Jack Hughes' his brother Quinn out of VCR???

This is quite a bad take. Q Hughes is an elite prospect, he's even better than Ty Smith by quite a margin. I love Ty Smith and would trade for him in a heartbeat (see my posts professing my love for him in the prospect ranking threads) but Q Hughes is a step above him, I had Q Hughes ahead of even Makar up until... I'm not sure when Makar passed him tbh. The gap between them is incredibly small imho.

I like Butcher a lot more than most non NJD fans but Q Hughes surpasses him as soon as possible this season. Q Hughes has some lumps in his game but man if you ever watch him play it's clear as rain why he's so highly touted.

Also, would love to see that thread about Butcher being better than Trouba, I just don't see it. Trouba is a significant step above Butcher, I would hope fans would be able to see that.

I would pay a premium for Butcher on the Habs, even overpay for him, but I wouldn't do Caufield for him. Again, the promise of a fresh prospect vs Butcher being a solid top 4 guy but not a game breaker.

 

[Just Linda]

Ty Smith is playing in the NHL this year

Yeah, on the Habs!!

(Jk, I love the kid though. He's going to be great)

 

[TBF1972]

I love Butcher, I think he should have been one of our target.

Butcher + 2020 first unprotected

In what world Caufield (freshly drafted #15 OA) is worth more than an unprotected 1st round pick from a team, which didn't qualify for the POs?
Caufield isn't a difference maker for the NJD's playoff hopes. He most likely won't even play in the NHL next season.
Butcher isn't just a throw in. He is a 24 year old defender with two full NHL seasons of experience. While defensively limited he was quarterbacking one of the Devils PP units.

The offer of a Top 10 protected 1st round pick + Butcher was already generous. It could yield Montreal a similar prospect like Caufield + Butcher.