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Proposal: NJD - CGY - MTL
- Thread starter Ford Prefect
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It isn't. And that's why a third team is involved. You saw the part where they get the high end starting goaltender, not pick 26?
Point taken. Direct me to the Markstrom caliber goaltender that's a UFA and I'll agree this makes no sense. NJ has a great team and should be a cup contender. If they think this is what puts them over the hump, this would be a price worth paying.
Forge
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The general sentiment in this thread seems to be that there is very little difference between 5 and 9, and I say BS to that. Because you have some personalities saying they're interchangeable, each team has their own lists of who they prioritize. Teams may value who their 5th option is far more than their ninth.
With respect to the 10th being worth Markstrom, was that not the basis of the deal at the TDL, before it fell apart? They did lose the end of the past season and that does have value. Perhaps a 3rd thrown in makes up the difference.
With respect to the 10th being worth Markstrom, was that not the basis of the deal at the TDL, before it fell apart? They did lose the end of the past season and that does have value. Perhaps a 3rd thrown in makes up the difference.
Forge
Blissfully Mediocre
No, that was not the basis of the deal for Markstrom at the deadline.
Dreger flat out said that the devils never put the 24 first on the table for Markstrom, and that was when it had the chance to be much later (and you were getting an additional playoff run out of him).
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HugeInTheShire
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If the Devils ever offered the 20204 1st for Markstrom, which they likely didn't is completely irrelevant now. When they wanted him, it was to make a playoff push last year, they most certainly didn't think they'd be drafting 10th if they got him. Pretending they knew the outcome of the season when they were discussing the deal before is a laughable way of looking at things.
Even if the 2024 1st was put on the table it would have been protected. The Flames weren't going to get a top ten pick for Markstrom
The Habs basically pay a late 1st and 4 spots in the draft to get a 10th overall pick. The Flames would just cut the Habs out.
Spoiler alert - they don't.
I don't recall hearing NJ's 2024 1st round pick was ever in play...but even if it was, at that time NJ would've been trading for 3 potential playoff runs with Markstom and their 2024 1st round draft pick would've presumably gotten worse after the trade. At this point in time, Markstrom's value has declined while the value of NJ's 2024 1st round pick has increased. Whatever may have been on the table at the '24 TDL is largely irrelevant now.
AfroThunder396
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NJ’s 1st was never in play for Markstrom, Dreger confirmed that a few days ago.
Those grifters at Calgary Puck speculated a whole bunch of nonsense that fans have just accepted as reality, despite it clearly being 100% bogus.
Those grifters at Calgary Puck speculated a whole bunch of nonsense that fans have just accepted as reality, despite it clearly being 100% bogus.
Debatable. It's pretty well established that the ask from the Flames is a 1st and prospect. Whether that's retained or not I don't know for sure. I'm guessing it would be. I don't think the 1st would be the only thing coming back at 50%.
the ask? i couldn't care less what the calgary gm or their fans are asking for markstrom.
the ask is not the same as the value. the value is where ask and bid meet. or do you think if i ask for a bottle of my pee 100 dollar, the value of my pee is 100 dollar?
Ledge And Dairy
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I'll fix my statement. I would not be shocked if neither got claimed on waivers. Plenty of players pass through waivers every year and even if they do get claimed half of them are re-placed on waivers like Bjornfot, Thomson, and Denisenko. Bernard-Docker cleared waivers last year and then eventually earned a call up. Now he's probably a regular on the Sens.
At this point in time clearly neither has earned a roster spot on the Habs. We'll see what happens at camp but it's very likely they still won't earn one. There was a very legitimate reason to keep 3 goalies last year. There is not a legitimate one to block 3 good defense prospects that should make the team over them, while simultaneously healthy scratching 2 guys who clearly need more development time.
I'm sure if Montreal retained on Matheson there would be interest but every NHL team has analytics departments, as well as ample scouts. I also get Habs fans want to sell high on his 62 points season because in reality he is a 30 point offensive defenseman that piggybacked off the success of Caufield, Suzuki, and Slafkovsky on the power play. Just look at OEL, he had like 11 points in 15 games before Montour and Ekblad came back.
Forge
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Do you think the ask is crazy? No one wants a bottle of your urine. At least 4 NHL teams want Markstrom. Conroy got his ask for 3 of the 5 pieces he moved already, so it's pretty clear he understands player values.
with your ask markstrom is a bottle of urine.
the upside of markstrom is more stability in the net with a proven starter and potentially an additional win or two in two playoff runs. the downside of a 34 year old goaltender at 6m is an anchor contract on the cap for two years, which you have to pay a major asset to move out. your ask is for the upside. completely ignoring the downside. with that ask i easily prefer to extend kähkönen at less than half the cap hit and keeping our assets.
calgary than can enjoy either upside markstrom downgrading their draft position or downside markstrom destroying his trade value if none of the teams is willing to pay the ask. keeping markstrom is also a risk for calgary.
#5 is extremely valuable but #9 #10 in this years draft is also very valuable, you're still looking at guys like Parekh/Catton/Yakemchuk/Sennecke/Helenius etc (and that's assuming Celebrini/Levshunov/Dickinson/Demidov/Lindstrom/Buium/Iginla/Silaev are top 8)
the top 15 this year is stacked, i don't think there's gonna be much movement
the top 15 this year is stacked, i don't think there's gonna be much movement
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Billdo
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Any top 13 pick in this draft is too much. There's a pretty clear ledge in this draft and the Devils will have their pick of at least 4 good players in that spot.
Yes he is easily.
He left out the part where Dreger said it was Mercer and a draft pick in the same post.
Forge
Blissfully Mediocre
No I didn't. Dreger said it like three days ago on Barn burner and didn't say anything about Mercer.
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