Proposal: NJ/Van (Not A Hughes Deal)

[biturbo19]

Not horrible but certainly underwhelming. I’m not sure Walsh will ever be an NHLer. Don’t care how many points he puts up in the AHL, he’s a heavily flawed player. Foote is I guess a former first rounder…much like a guy like Martin Kaut was a former first rounder. He’s big but isn’t a great skater for the NHL and his production has gone down every year in the AHL. Neither guy is even a top 10 prospect in the Devils system anymore IMO.

If I’m Vancouver take out the prospect players and just send me a late first. I don’t see any of the prospects involved (including Woo) amounting to much.

Yeah. If Vancouver are moving Kuzmenko, i'd rather it just be for one good piece, instead of a bunch of longshots and nothings.


Walsh isn't really appealing at all. Canucks already have a better version in Rathbone that they can't really find a place for in the lineup, and will probably just end up moving for nothing at some point. Don't need another. Foote can't skate well enough to make it in the NHL.

Including Woo doesn't impact much, as he's also probably nothing at the NHL level...but it doesn't help make the trade more enticing for Vancouver.


So basically the way i see it...it's Kuzmenko for a later-2nd round pick. Which just isn't good value for a very appealing, affordable piece. A piece that Vancouver should really be looking to sign to an extension if possible.

A playoff team 1st (or comparable prospect) is probably more fair and enticing.

 

[Boondock]

If the Canucks are willing to trade Kuz, I would imagine there would be a lot of interest from teams with cap issues (ie: almost every playoff team). If that is the case, a couple prospects on the decline and a late 2nd hopefully aren't the best offer. If you were to take the individual values of each asset and add them together, its probably fair value (Foote = 3rd, Walsh = 3rd, 2nd = 2nd). I would hope the Canucks would hold out for the best single asset they could get in a deal. I keep hearing from talking heads around the Canucks that management (actually ownership, but no one will admit they are driving the boat) want players in the 23-26 range. I sure hope that isn't the case, but regardless I want the canucks to be looking at the best single asset, not 3 probably nots.

 

[oceanchild]

Take out Woo and Canucks do it. Kuzmenko’s agent already stated he’s going to free agency (more or less)

No he didn’t, he said he loves it in Vancouver and is happy and wants a larger sample size in negotiations. Clearly they feel he will maintain this pace and command a larger contract.

 

[Petes2424]

We have to think the Canucks will keep Kuzmenko and get something done before the opening of UFA. They wined and dined him to come and he’s been one of the bright spots. Still think he goes through some laziness in his own zone which we can point out almost every game, but unless they’ve somehow soured in him, he’s likely not going anywhere.

 

[Eggtimer]

PPG young forward, UFA status noted.

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Two "B" tier prospects and a 2nd ? like cmon man...

how can you ask for PPG guy and not offer up a Blue Chip prospect or a 1st?
EA may be based in Vancouver, however this is real life :-D and you have to offer something of value. this aint EA Nhl 22

I agree that the offer is not enough but I can’t see a blue chip prospect beimg offered by NJ.
I guess depends on your definition of blue chip prospect .
I consider Luke Hughes , Nemec , Holtz , that with maybe Mukhamadoulin as a borderline one ( he was a mid first round pick and developing well )
No way NJ offers the first three I listed on a rental.

We have to think the Canucks will keep Kuzmenko and get something done before the opening of UFA. They wined and dined him to come and he’s been one of the bright spots. Still think he goes through some laziness in his own zone which we can point out almost every game, but unless they’ve somehow soured in him, he’s likely not going anywhere.

But….it’s not up to the Canucks …. Yes they would like to extend him but he has to want to stay there.
Why would he NOT test free agency?

 

[biturbo19]

I agree that the offer is not enough but I can’t see a blue chip prospect beimg offered by NJ.
I guess depends on your definition of blue chip prospect .
I consider Luke Hughes , Nemec , Holtz , that with maybe Mukhamadoulin as a borderline one ( he was a mid first round pick and developing well )
No way NJ offers the first three I listed on a rental.


But….it’s not up to the Canucks …. Yes they would like to extend him but he has to want to stay there.
Why would he NOT test free agency?

I mean, Kuzmenko already "tested free agency". That's how he ended up in Vancouver in the first place. He had no shortage of suitors as a potential landing spot, and he chose Vancouver.

Things may have changed based on where the team might be headed, but he obviously liked the city and organization and situation. It's gone about as well as you could possibly hope for Kuzmenko and he seems to enjoy playing with Pettersson.


I would think that unless something drastic changes, Vancouver probably still have the inside track on re-signing him. As long as they're willing to put a fair value offer on the table.

 

[My3Sons]

I mean, Kuzmenko already "tested free agency". That's how he ended up in Vancouver in the first place. He had no shortage of suitors as a potential landing spot, and he chose Vancouver.

Things may have changed based on where the team might be headed, but he obviously liked the city and organization and situation. It's gone about as well as you could possibly hope for Kuzmenko and he seems to enjoy playing with Pettersson.


I would think that unless something drastic changes, Vancouver probably still have the inside track on re-signing him. As long as they're willing to put a fair value offer on the table.

With the Vancouver management trying to compete you'd think that's the route they go. What sort of open market deal does a guy like that command? He's talented but even if he finishes out the season well it's just one season. He's 26 so you don't expect much, if any, growth in his game and maybe some regression as he moves into his later 20s. I'm sure the player would like an 8x$8 from Vancouver but maybe they settle on something like 6x$7? That's probably a better outcome than any trade.

 

[TBF1972]

With the Vancouver management trying to compete you'd think that's the route they go. What sort of open market deal does a guy like that command? He's talented but even if he finishes out the season well it's just one season. He's 26 so you don't expect much, if any, growth in his game and maybe some regression as he moves into his later 20s. I'm sure the player would like an 8x$8 from Vancouver but maybe they settle on something like 6x$7? That's probably a better outcome than any trade.

totally

devils offered nemec and luke hughes for boeser and meyers, but aquilini nixed the deal.

 

[Dr Beinfest]

Don’t downplay this. This is absolutely a Hughes deal. Massive.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Doesn't make much sense for NJD in my opinion, but I would still do it as long as a Kuzmenko extension doesn't break the bank

 

[Hisch13r]

Canucks can get back more than 2 mediocre prospects and a 2nd.

 

[biturbo19]

With the Vancouver management trying to compete you'd think that's the route they go. What sort of open market deal does a guy like that command? He's talented but even if he finishes out the season well it's just one season. He's 26 so you don't expect much, if any, growth in his game and maybe some regression as he moves into his later 20s. I'm sure the player would like an 8x$8 from Vancouver but maybe they settle on something like 6x$7? That's probably a better outcome than any trade.

Yeah. I don't know what that "fair value" contract actually looks like. It's a bit tricky given the changing cap landscape projection and the very limited sample size involved. Plus, his age is a factor...where in most typical comparable situations, a 27 year old is going to have more than 1 season of NHL track record to go on.

Intuitively, i'd think a Kuzmenko deal (if he keeps up this ~PPG pace) probably falls somewhere bracketed between what Jake Guentzel got (closest real comparable i can think of) on the low end, and below what Fiala got on the high end. So somewhere between $6M x 5 and below $7.8M x 7, as he's a little bit older and doesn't have nearly the established track record. So i'd lean toward something more in the Guentzel neighbourhood, but with a bit of an inflation on the price as the cap is projected to rise.