Player Discussion Nils Hoglander PART III

[VanJack]

Here’s hoping for another good season.
His playoff performance was horrible though.

Posters would probably be a lot more bullish on him, if he hadn't gone MIA in the playoffs......but that's always the conundrum with younger guys. It's not a 'lineal projection' in terms of their improvement.

With Hoglander it's been a series of steps and missteps, that actually landed him in the minors a year previous after a strong rookie campaign.. But you have to be optimistic that he's learned the hard way about how much of a challenge it is to raise your game in the playoffs, which will only help him during the regular season.

 

[ghostingtaro]

trying to figure out whats wrong with hogs, he took a step forward last year, but hes regressed 2 steps backwards this season

is he injured? i just hope he gets out of tocchets doghouse

 

[MS]

trying to figure out whats wrong with hogs, he took a step forward last year, but hes regressed 2 steps backwards this season

is he injured? i just hope he gets out of tocchets doghouse

He's dumb as rocks and has to be competing at 110%, filled with confidence, and playing simple hockey in straight lines in order to be effective.

If any of those things stops happening he turns into a very marginal NHL player.

 

[Curm]

trying to figure out whats wrong with hogs, he took a step forward last year, but hes regressed 2 steps backwards this season

is he injured? i just hope he gets out of tocchets doghouse

Not going to happen. Hoglander's being written off, I don't 100% know why, but Tocchet does, and he's the one writing him off.

 

[MS]

Not going to happen. Hoglander's being written off, I don't 100% know why, but Tocchet does, and he's the one writing him off.

It's because he's a massive defensive liability, which is the same reason he was benched/scratched under Green and Boudreau.

Tocchet managed to get through to him last year and get him playing max effort in straight lines instead of like a dumb, ineffective skill player but he's hugely regressed this year.

 

[F A N]

He's dumb as rocks

Why do you frequently make comments like this?

 

[MS]

Why do you frequently make comments like this?

He's probably perfectly intelligent in real life. As a hockey player he's dumb as rocks.

It's just a statement of someone having poor hockey IQ on a message board and I don't see the point in getting offended by it.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

It's because he's a massive defensive liability, which is the same reason he was benched/scratched under Green and Boudreau.

Tocchet managed to get through to him last year and get him playing max effort in straight lines instead of like a dumb, ineffective skill player but he's hugely regressed this year.

The regression started down the stretch last April and continued into the playoffs. It was clear as day he could not up his game once the intensity amped up.

 

[F A N]

He's probably perfectly intelligent in real life. As a hockey player he's dumb as rocks.

It's just a statement of someone having poor hockey IQ on a message board and I don't see the point in getting offended by it.

Oh I am not offended. I just don’t know why you have to resort to calling Hogs dumb as rocks when you could have simply said he has poor hockey IQ.

But hey we don’t have to agree. Taking a page out of Elon Musk, the community can judge for themselves. If you feel the language you use to describe players here is fine as in real life that’s fine. We can all see that.

 

[MS]

Oh I am not offended. I just don’t know why you have to resort to calling Hogs dumb as rocks when you could have simply said he has poor hockey IQ.

But hey we don’t have to agree. Taking a page out of Elon Musk, the community can judge for themselves. If you feel the language you use to describe players here is fine as in real life that’s fine. We can all see that.

Do you ever get tired of virtue signaling?

 

[mriswith]

The regression started down the stretch last April and continued into the playoffs. It was clear as day he could not up his game once the intensity amped up.

Even earlier than that. As soon as he was moved to EP's line last year his flaws stood out glaringly. His goals on the 4th line were from great individual efforts and a lot of them pretty flukey so when he tanked on EP's line (and again the playoffs) it made me completely pessimistic about the player. He needed to take a big step forward this year just to have a shot at matching what he did last year.

 

[M2Beezy]

His downfall was the playoffs..had a great regular season last year but was totally irrelevant in the playoffs and hasnt found his mojo since...

 

[F A N]

Do you ever get tired of virtue signaling?

Lol.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Hogs is a beauty, can take over a shift through brute strength and tenacity like no other forward we have. Huge double standard shown with him being used as the coaches whipping boy. Has a ton of talent.

Doesn't help the refs are throwing a stretch of complete bs phantom calls at him. Guy got 2 minutes for being boarded and jumped gloves off a few games ago.

Would like to see eventually start killing penalties. Of course in practice to start. Focus that work ethic on a simple task, where offense isn't expected. Go here, do this. Don't have to be a great linebacker to be on the kickoff team. Special teams are a different beast, especially PK.

I can see a Hansen/Burrows blend in his mid to later 20's. Hopefully they don't do something stupid like trade him.

 

[Ernie]

Do you ever get tired of virtue signaling?

If that's the best you can come back with perhaps just take the L.

 

[MS]

If that's the best you can come back with perhaps just take the L.

TLDR: Dom of the Athletic is an idiot, again.

Kovalchuk is an idiot.

but it's Kane, so probably just him being an idiot again

I would have no problem referring to Benning as an abject moron in an informed discussion, and if the other person didn't agree, they aren't very informed.

Comments like this are totally normal in this sort of message board discourse, we all do it (aside from the virtue signaler who constantly gets up on his high horse) and when you make all the same sorts of comments you maybe shouldn't stick your nose in like a dick trying to get a cheap W.

 

[Ernie]

Comments like this are totally normal in this sort of message board discourse, we all do it (aside from the virtue signaler who constantly gets up on his high horse) and when you make all the same sorts of comments you maybe shouldn't stick your nose in like a dick trying to get a cheap W.

Wow you really dug deep there huh.

So you found a handful of comments in almost 2 decades of post history to prove your point. And those comments aren't even close to as bad as the ones you make on the regular.

The funny thing is that unlike the vast majority posters who stoop to these levels of vitriol, you are very much capable of making your arguments without them. Recently it seems that it's when people disagree with you and make good counterpoints that you start the insults. It's totally unnecessary.

(also all Benning and Messier insults are fair game and I'll die on that hill)

 

[MS]

Wow you really dug deep there huh.

So you found a handful of comments in almost 2 decades of post history to prove your point. And those comments aren't even close to as bad as the ones you make on the regular.

The funny thing is that unlike the vast majority posters who stoop to these levels of vitriol, you are very much capable of making your arguments without them. Recently it seems that it's when people disagree with you and make good counterpoints that you start the insults. It's totally unnecessary.

(also all Benning and Messier insults are fair game and I'll die on that hill)

I literally took 30 seconds to pump a couple similar searches into the system.

How is calling someone dumb as rocks worse than calling them an abject moron?

Trying to pile on when you see an opportunity to take a cheap shot at me is just lame.

And again, basically every poster here uses terminology like this semi-regularly. And it's funny how nobody minds when it's directed at Loui Eriksson or Tyler Myers but posters turn all Mrs. Lovejoy when someone has the gall to use them in the context of our precious homegrown U25 players.

 

[Ernie]

I literally took 30 seconds to pump a couple similar searches into the system.

How is calling someone dumb as rocks worse than calling them an abject moron?

Trying to pile on when you see an opportunity to take a cheap shot at me is just lame.

And again, basically every poster here uses terminology like this semi-regularly. And it's funny how nobody minds when it's directed at Loui Eriksson or Tyler Myers but posters turn all Mrs. Lovejoy when someone has the gall to use them in the context of our precious homegrown U25 players.

Well your searches went pretty deep due to the fact that Kovalchuk hasn't been relevant in any discussion in how long exactly?

Benning was an abject moron in every facet of his career here and if you think that Hoglander struggling to connect the dots this season after making big strides last season is somehow equivalent I don't know what to say.

If literally anyone was making insults like that I would have them on my block list so fast because guaranteed they would have nothing valuable to say and yet 90% of what you post is valuable which is kind of the point. Why do it? And if you think that me pointing that out is a cheap shot you have a very thin skin.

 

[MS]

Well your searches went pretty deep due to the fact that Kovalchuk hasn't been relevant in any discussion in how long exactly?

Benning was an abject moron in every facet of his career here and if you think that Hoglander struggling to connect the dots this season after making big strides last season is somehow equivalent I don't know what to say.

If literally anyone was making insults like that I would have them on my block list so fast because guaranteed they would have nothing valuable to say and yet 90% of what you post is valuable which is kind of the point. Why do it? And if you think that me pointing that out is a cheap shot you have a very thin skin.

Saying that a player with no hockey sense is dumb happens constantly on this board (or other forms of social media, or just friends talking while watching a game). You can probably find 10 posts about Myers in every GDT.

It's a f***ing weird thing to get triggered by, and again it only happens because people are precious about Hoglander.

 

[Ernie]

Saying that a player with no hockey sense is dumb happens constantly on this board (or other forms of social media, or just friends talking while watching a game). You can probably find 10 posts about Myers in every GDT.

It's a f***ing weird thing to get triggered by, and again it only happens because people are precious about Hoglander.

There is all kinds of nonsense on various forms of social media and that's why I avoid them for the most part and post here instead. As for the GDT's, I don't see a lot of those posts because from my experience it's like 3 posters and they are on my block list already.

I like Hoglander but I also think it would be a good idea to trade him because I'm not sure about the long term fit but also a bad idea to trade him right this moment while his value is so low. I'm certainly not triggered by criticisms of his play.

 

[sting101]

Pretty much the only scenario where i can see Hoglander/Tocchet and his spot in our lineup equate what he will be paid next year is alongside Miller/Boeser or Pettersson/Debrusk.

He's a poor PK option. a poor 3rd line checkin role player. He doesn't compare to Hansen like some people like to say because he lacks the dog on a bone checking acumen as well as the long speed and range that a guy like Hnasen had plus he sucks coming out of our zone and leads the team in minor penalties many of which are offensive zone.

He simply has to be a 40-55pt energy top6 or they need to get rid of him before he's worthless. He's a freak athlete but i get the feeling he doesn't prepare well for games and probably likes to party or is simply not smart enough to find the balance in effort and decisions he needs.

Time is running out. It really sucks after so much promise from that 2019 draft that a 4th round pick and the present iteration of Hoglander remain

 

[F A N]

How is calling someone dumb as rocks worse than calling them an abject moron?

So you're saying one is worse than the other?

Shockingly, it turns out that ‘mentorship’ is just an unquantifiable BS excuse from moron fans to excuse a moron GM from moron transactions.

Listening to Gillis talk articulately about this team and this sport is just a punch in the guts compared to the 70 IQ abject idiot we have to deal with now.

Sutter was a least a good hockey guy on some level. Benning is just an abject moron who is laughably incompetent at every aspect of his job.

 

[Curm]

Time is running out. It really sucks after so much promise from that 2019 draft that a 4th round pick and the present iteration of Hoglander remain

From the last 3 Benning drafts, and 20 picks in total, all the Canucks have to show for it is, whatever Hoglander turns into, a 2025 4th rounder, Silovs, and Klimovich.

 

[Curm]

It's because he's a massive defensive liability, which is the same reason he was benched/scratched under Green and Boudreau.

Tocchet managed to get through to him last year and get him playing max effort in straight lines instead of like a dumb, ineffective skill player but he's hugely regressed this year.

Yes, I see that. This is the second time management has extended a flawed player only to have it not work out and the coach devalue the asset before they can extract maximum return, whatever that may have represented months earlier.

Kuzemenko was a cap dump, Hoglander's not going to return what they actually need, help on D, without a more significant sweetener. If they played it right, they could have moved on in the summer, sold high, and had better options than Desharnairs, Forbort, Brannstrom, and Myers/Soucy as a second pairing.