Wait what?Agreed. I think the only tangible difference between Myers and Bogosian is that Myers can actually stay healthy for a season, whereas Bogosian can't.
Myers and Bogosian have missed nearly identical games to injury.
Wait what?Agreed. I think the only tangible difference between Myers and Bogosian is that Myers can actually stay healthy for a season, whereas Bogosian can't.
Won't ROR just be a 1st or 2nd line winger if everything works out as planned though (Eichel and Reinhart as the 1/2 centers)?
Wait what?
Myers and Bogosian have missed nearly identical games to injury.
Agree 100% with the OP.
Its hilarious reading how quickly so many sabres fans defend and even applaud the trades Murray has made.
Before the Evander Kane trade the Sabres fans common theme was "Myers is untouchable and if he's moved it'll take a mountain of assets, he's a big Top pairing Dman who's showing signs of being a #1" Now that he's not longer a Sabre(And coincidentally enough actually looking much better in Winnipeg), Sabres fans are singing the same song again "Myers was always nothing more than a good #3 for us and that's all he'll ever be, thank god we swapped him our for a Top 2 guy in Bogosian". Myers is significantly better than Bogosian, both now and in the future.
And the same thing applies for ROR and Zadorov. Before that trade half of the Sabres fan base wanted nothing to do with ROR and his overrated, soon to be overpaid ways and Zadorov was a big, monster Dman with #2 potential written all over him. Fast forward 2 weeks later, and ROR is an Elite 2 way center(Which is true admittedly) on a fantastic contract and will be a core pice for years. While Zadorov is a big question mark where a lot of things have to go right before he even comes close to reaching his potential.
Its hilarious. Buffalo would have been much better off making none of those trades(Instead moving the likes of Grigorenko, Lemieux, Armia out in smaller prospect swap trades instead). Drafting Eichel at #2, Colin White at #21, and Jeremy Roy at #24. Still having Myers, Zadorov, on the back end and build a core around:
Ennis, Eichel, Reinheart, Girgensons up front and Zadorov, Myers, Ristoalinen on Defense. A Forward core that already has 4/6 very good young future Top 6 forwards, and a D core that in 3 years is likely made up of 3 very good #2's at least, with Risto likely being a #1 himself. The most important part, is they would have had a tonne of good complimentary pieces in Roy, White, #31 Pick, Grigorenko/Lemieux/Armia swaps, Compher etc. to build around that core. Now, they've got a similarly skilled core as before, a little more proven but by no means is it better in 2-3 years. But they now lack the complimentary pieces like Compher, like a Jeremy Roy, like a Grigorenko, etc. that they would have had before these trades.
Before the Evander Kane trade the Sabres fans common theme was "Myers is untouchable and if he's moved it'll take a mountain of assets, he's a big Top pairing Dman who's showing signs of being a #1" Now that he's not longer a Sabre(And coincidentally enough actually looking much better in Winnipeg), Sabres fans are singing the same song again "Myers was always nothing more than a good #3 for us and that's all he'll ever be, thank god we swapped him our for a Top 2 guy in Bogosian". Myers is significantly better than Bogosian, both now and in the future.
And the same thing applies for ROR and Zadorov. Before that trade half of the Sabres fan base wanted nothing to do with ROR and his overrated, soon to be overpaid ways and Zadorov was a big, monster Dman with #2 potential written all over him. Fast forward 2 weeks later, and ROR is an Elite 2 way center(Which is true admittedly) on a fantastic contract and will be a core pice for years. While Zadorov is a big question mark where a lot of things have to go right before he even comes close to reaching his potential.
Its hilarious. Buffalo would have been much better off making none of those trades(Instead moving the likes of Grigorenko, Lemieux, Armia out in smaller prospect swap trades instead). Drafting Eichel at #2, Colin White at #21, and Jeremy Roy at #24. Still having Myers, Zadorov, on the back end and build a core around:
Ennis, Eichel, Reinheart, Girgensons up front and Zadorov, Myers, Ristoalinen on Defense. A Forward core that already has 4/6 very good young future Top 6 forwards, and a D core that in 3 years is likely made up of 3 very good #2's at least, with Risto likely being a #1 himself. The most important part, is they would have had a tonne of good complimentary pieces in Roy, White, #31 Pick, Grigorenko/Lemieux/Armia swaps, Compher etc. to build around that core. Now, they've got a similarly skilled core as before, a little more proven but by no means is it better in 2-3 years. But they now lack the complimentary pieces like Compher, like a Jeremy Roy, like a Grigorenko, etc. that they would have had before these trades.
But seriously, there has been an astounding 180 on Zadorov. I could go find the poll from just a few weeks ago where Sabres fans voted by a large majority not to trade him for O'Reilly straight up. Now he is a lazy Russian headcase.
Avs fans have been mostly complimentary about ROR! Lets all lighten up, its a win/win.
Agree 100% with the OP.
Its hilarious reading how quickly so many sabres fans defend and even applaud the trades Murray has made.
Before the Evander Kane trade the Sabres fans common theme was "Myers is untouchable and if he's moved it'll take a mountain of assets, he's a big Top pairing Dman who's showing signs of being a #1" Now that he's not longer a Sabre(And coincidentally enough actually looking much better in Winnipeg), Sabres fans are singing the same song again "Myers was always nothing more than a good #3 for us and that's all he'll ever be, thank god we swapped him our for a Top 2 guy in Bogosian". Myers is significantly better than Bogosian, both now and in the future.
And the same thing applies for ROR and Zadorov. Before that trade half of the Sabres fan base wanted nothing to do with ROR and his overrated, soon to be overpaid ways and Zadorov was a big, monster Dman with #2 potential written all over him. Fast forward 2 weeks later, and ROR is an Elite 2 way center(Which is true admittedly) on a fantastic contract and will be a core pice for years. While Zadorov is a big question mark where a lot of things have to go right before he even comes close to reaching his potential.
Its hilarious. Buffalo would have been much better off making none of those trades(Instead moving the likes of Grigorenko, Lemieux, Armia out in smaller prospect swap trades instead). Drafting Eichel at #2, Colin White at #21, and Jeremy Roy at #24. Still having Myers, Zadorov, on the back end and build a core around:
Ennis, Eichel, Reinheart, Girgensons up front and Zadorov, Myers, Ristoalinen on Defense. A Forward core that already has 4/6 very good young future Top 6 forwards, and a D core that in 3 years is likely made up of 3 very good #2's at least, with Risto likely being a #1 himself. The most important part, is they would have had a tonne of good complimentary pieces in Roy, White, #31 Pick, Grigorenko/Lemieux/Armia swaps, Compher etc. to build around that core. Now, they've got a similarly skilled core as before, a little more proven but by no means is it better in 2-3 years. But they now lack the complimentary pieces like Compher, like a Jeremy Roy, like a Grigorenko, etc. that they would have had before these trades.
The re-signing issue I feel has been overblown the last week. I know its easy to say that in hindsight, especially with Ryan's agent proving one tough customer over the years. But Murray is a great GM so far imo...he was always going to get him signed, even if it meant biting some kind of bullet (which turned out to be the weird structure)
UFA ROR is not worth a lot. However, A signed ROR is worth a ****load.
I said "added nothing to the bottom line," not "added nothing." Obviously Brent Burns brings offense from the backend and the ability to log minutes. His overall game, however, just doesn't correlate to winning hockey games.How has he added nothing? He's the defenseman who plays the most minutes and scores the most for us. I don't understand. He's not 38, he's recently 30. Even after Thornton and Marleau are gone, Burns could still be around unless he is traded. Probably still producing 45+ and leading the team in ice time.
Targeting Brent Burns as the player to put your contending team over the top after repeatedly allowing PPG+ series to other team's #1 scoring options is still not something you want to do.Also if we traded Burns today, 4 years after the trade, we could get a better return than Coyle. So that should be pretty clear evidence on how good the trade was.
I think that some combination of Moore/Kennedy/Stuart/etc or Havlat via salary dump being the most significant players they've acquired since is kind of self-evident here.Ignoring what Doug Wilson did with the 2nd and the busted Phillips since both are irrelevant to the initial trade value, how did Burns + an early 2nd for Setoguchi + Coyle + a late 1st cost them most of their asset pool?
No, I'm saying the Sharks spent the most valuable of a limited asset pool to acquire a player who didn't and hasn't really made them better.I'm not sure if serious. So are you saying the sharks would be better if they had Coyle instead of Burns?
*Looks at Edmonton/Toronto's center situation since 2010*Make damn sure you don't end up like Edmonton or Toronto and more like the Kings or Chicago.
*Looks at Edmonton/Toronto's center situation since 2010*
*Looks at Chicago/LA's*
I think I know which one Buffalo is trending towards!
I think you better clarify what you mean by Edmonton. They seem to have a few centers...
Maybe you meant they played #1 overall RNH with no help to start his career?
I dont like how they tanked their way to Eichel - teams have proven you can rebuild without requiring a losing culture, it is just sad that teams take that route.
Cant wait for the draft system to change even moreso.
I think you better clarify what you mean by Edmonton. They seem to have a few centers...
Maybe you meant they played #1 overall RNH with no help to start his career?
How many of them have made an impact like a Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares...etc?
0, that's how many. It's why they tanked better than anyone else for the "McSweepstakes" as people call it.
In any case, Buffalo is unique in the sense that they purged the previous GM's trash and what didn't work and quickly added a ton of new faces that aren't just crap. I mean people can say what they want but Eichel will be surrounded by some pretty damn decent support to start his career with - ROR, Kane, Moulson, Gionta (leadership), and Ennis. They also have a more intriguing group of young forwards now and are trending towards a solid core that has a mix of things to win.
Their defense, ok so they moved a few guys, in regards to Zadorov, I heard more negative things about that kid than positive.
They still have Risto, Bogo, and some solid kids in McCabe as well as a very solid reliable guy in Gorges being the leader on the blueline.
They also sorted their goalie situation, so far it seems anyway, quicker than the Oilers.
in regards to Zadorov, I heard more negative things about that kid than positive.
Also, there's no way that the Sabres could have just held on to all their prospects, AND used all their 1sts and 2nds this year, AND their high picks next year.
There's a 50 contract limit. You try to stockpile prospects too much, you're going to wind up losing good prospects for nothing because of that limit.
Better to package a few prospects with value for a young established NHLer.
I don't advocate selling off the farm or anything. But the Sabres still have good prospects I'm excited about (like Fasching and McCabe and Ullmark) and more high picks coming up, so I'm not too concerned. I don't think the pipeline is going to dry up. You just can't stockpile too much, is all.
You mean like Tyler Myers and Zadorov?
Good to know I'm not the only one who shares this opinion. Defense first. Trade offensive prospects for offensive proven players. Keep your defense at a high potential throughout the process. Make damn sure you don't end up like Edmonton or Toronto and more like the Kings or Chicago.