Nikita Nikitin Appreciation Thread

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Maybe I was wrong about that but he did have some regular season scratches down the stretch too I think. Regardless he's due for money the CBJ shouldn't pay with as much D depth as the team has. Someone has to go.


Ya, Wiz does.

Nikitin is Wisniewski without the fat contract, terrible giveaways, 200+ PP minutes and he has a shot that can actually get through traffic. Remember when he was given regular PP time? I'd go with JJ-Savard/Tyutin....Nikitin-Murray/Tyutin next year on the points for the PP and it would be way better than having the Wiz anywhere near the ice.
 

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Ya, Wiz does.

Nikitin is Wisniewski without the fat contract, terrible giveaways, 200+ PP minutes and he has a shot that can actually get through traffic.

He's also Wiz without, you know, the 51 points which is kind of a big deal and main point of having Wisniewski on the team.
 

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The main point of having Wiz should be making the Columbus Blue Jackets a better hockey team. Wiz hitting 50 points is just like Nash getting 40 goals. Its good for him and is nice to look at but if he doesn't help the team overall what's the point? You may think that Wiz and his 50 pts(vast majority on the PP) makes the team better, but I definitely do not. Some of you can't understand how I could possibly say that just for the simple fact he scored 50 points. Well, what's the cutoff on points Wiz must get that you think helps this team? 40pts? 30? How is it possible that we've been a better team without Nash and his 35-40 goals/70 points a year?

If Nikitin was given 250+ PP minutes this year I can guarantee he'd have around 50 points and our PP would've been ranked higher.
 

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Ya, Wiz does.

Nikitin is Wisniewski without the fat contract, terrible giveaways, 200+ PP minutes and he has a shot that can actually get through traffic. Remember when he was given regular PP time? I'd go with JJ-Savard/Tyutin....Nikitin-Murray/Tyutin next year on the points for the PP and it would be way better than having the Wiz anywhere near the ice.
Nikitin can get his shot through traffic more than Wiz? When the hell did that happen? Certainly not while I was watching.

Don't get me wrong - I like NikNik. But this is overselling him and VASTLY underselling Wiz. I get that we're obliged to hate him and demand his head because he played injured and thus had a crappy playoffs, but, c'mon, let's try to think back longer than "last week, maybe one more week on top of that."
 

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The main point of having Wiz should be making the Columbus Blue Jackets a better hockey team. Wiz hitting 50 points is just like Nash getting 40 goals. Its good for him and is nice to look at but if he doesn't help the team overall what's the point? You may think that Wiz and his 50 pts(vast majority on the PP) makes the team better, but I definitely do not.

Based on what? Disdain for his performance when hurt? Conviction that Nikitin's turnovers will be less obvious since he's not light enough on his skates to turn around quickly?

If Nikitin was given 250+ PP minutes this year I can guarantee he'd have around 50 points and our PP would've been ranked higher.

I don't think anyone on the planet would agree with you. Nikitin just doesn't have the mobility Wiz has. He's about as good standing and taking potshots from the point, but if that was all it took to make a PPQB then Andrei Plekhanov would still be one of our star prospects and Anton Babchuk would still have a NHL job.

Not that Nikitin is that bad, per se - he's a great #2 option to have. But he's not a Wiz replacement. Not now, and I suspect he won't ever be.
 

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If Nikitin was given 250+ PP minutes this year I can guarantee he'd have around 50 points and our PP would've been ranked higher.

Are you lazy or just bad at math?

By far the highest points per 60 powerplay minutes in Nikitin's career was his first year here, in 11-12. Then he hit 3.2 points per 60 and had 9 points. If you multiply 250/60 * 3.2 you get 13 powerplay points, not even half of what Wiz did.

I'm really not that good at math, but I enjoy puzzles like this. Feel free to check my work.
 

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Nikitin can get his shot through traffic more than Wiz? When the hell did that happen? Certainly not while I was watching.

Don't get me wrong - I like NikNik. But this is overselling him and VASTLY underselling Wiz. I get that we're obliged to hate him and demand his head because he played injured and thus had a crappy playoffs, but, c'mon, let's try to think back longer than "last week, maybe one more week on top of that."

Yes Nikitin has a better shot. Its quite clear a lot of you don't (cant?) watch the games that closely. Say 1 guy shoots 10 outta 20 on net from the point. Another goes 30 outta 100, who's better? Wiz could be absolutely terrible all game, giving pucks up left and right, getting beat CLEAN wide, leaving guys open out front, or stand next to them while they tip pucks in. People will blame 1 of Prout, Savard or Murray. Wiz will get 2 secondary PP assists after giving the puck up to Johansen or Foligno 15 seconds before the goals are scored and that's a great night for James Wisniewski!! And believe me this has nothing to do with the playoffs. I've wanted Wiz and Umberger off the team since mid last year, if not longer. Finally the majority of you understand what Umberger does for the team, I'm just scared what it's gonna take for you guys to realize it about Wiz.

There's 2 things that Nikitin is below average in when it comes to NHL hockey. Reading and covering a fast moving cycle around the net and just pure foot speed and agility. You know who's still worse at both of those qualities? That's Right!! James Wisniewski!! Nikitin has a better shot AND better skating than Wisniewski.

I think how bad Wiz was in the playoffs has actually clouded your memories of how bad Wiz was during the regular season.
 

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I think how bad Wiz was in the playoffs has actually clouded your memories of how bad Wiz was during the regular season.

This is obviously the case with you since Wisniewski was pretty darn good throughout the regular season, making a case at times to be our best overall defensemen.

His 51 points make the team a better hockey team WAY more than any of the defensive play of our current derensemen. Further, his defensive play during the regular season was actually fairly strong given his role is to put up points from the backend.

Yes Nikitin has a better shot. Its quite clear a lot of you don't (cant?) watch the games that closely. Say 1 guy shoots 10 outta 20 on net from the point. Another goes 30 outta 100, who's better?

Wisniewski actually had a 4.2% shooting percentage. Nikitin on the other hand had half that at 2.1%. So really the facts don't back that statement up. If the situation were as you stated, Nikitin would have the higher shooting %.

He's paid to put up points. He does that. You shouldn't really expect more even though Wisniewski actually does provide it (he sees PK time and 1st/2nd pairing minutes unlike actual PP specialists like Anton Stralman).

If any of our defensemen had a bad season, it isn't Wisniewski.
 
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This is obviously the case with you since Wisniewski was pretty darn good throughout the regular season, making a case at times to be our best overall defensemen.

His 51 points make the team a better hockey team WAY more than any of the defensive play of our current derensemen. Further, his defensive play during the regular season was actually fairly strong given his role is to put up points from the backend.

He's paid to put up points. He does that. You shouldn't really expect more even though Wisniewski actually does provide it (he sees PK time and 1st/2nd pairing minutes unlike actual PP specialists like Anton Stralman).

I know this thread has taken on a life of its own with Wiz when it's supposed to be Nikitin, but thebus is an avid Wis hater. HE could put up 80 point seasons and he'd still be useless. Somehow, a 50 point season has an asterisk and means little because he's told to shoot and he does, and his assists are secondary.
 

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You can't discuss perceived flaws and use that as evidence that two players are alike. Well that and "get pucks through". Actually, at times, I thought Savard was our best player at getting pucks through. Murray was one of our top two offensive d-men for an extended stretch until he got hurt.

Nikitin and Wiz are as different as night and day. The thought that Nikitin would get to 50 points with increased PP time is ridiculous. He had one season in which he scored at that pace and it was mostly 5 on 5 points.

I'm not saying he can't reach 40 points, but he's show nothing in the last couple of seasons to suggest that outburst was anything but an anomaly.

Nikitin has value, but it's not 4+ million value and he's not a viable substitute for Wiz in the offensive zone.
 

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Yes Nikitin has a better shot. Its quite clear a lot of you don't (cant?) watch the games that closely. Say 1 guy shoots 10 outta 20 on net from the point. Another goes 30 outta 100, who's better?

Your example makes it pretty obvious. Unfortunately, your example has absolutely nothing to do with a Nikitin-Wisniewski comparison, because Nikitin does not have that kind of shot accuracy. (Heck, neither does Wiz, for that matter - but his is still demonstrably better.)

Wiz could be absolutely terrible all game, giving pucks up left and right, getting beat CLEAN wide, leaving guys open out front, or stand next to them while they tip pucks in. People will blame 1 of Prout, Savard or Murray.

Actually, no. People do attribute that to Wiz. As some of us are fond of saying, he's very good at producing offense on both sides of the ice. :)

We also recognize, however, that there are certain tradeoffs we're willing to live with, and Wisniewski's proven ability on the PP makes him well worth keeping.

And believe me this has nothing to do with the playoffs. I've wanted Wiz and Umberger off the team since mid last year, if not longer.

Honestly, that makes me less willing to consider your opinion, not more. That suggests that this isn't about what he's actually producing so much as it is a crusade against a player for whom the decision was made ages ago without regard to any other information. It puts me on my guard.


There's 2 things that Nikitin is below average in when it comes to NHL hockey. Reading and covering a fast moving cycle around the net and just pure foot speed and agility.

That's three things, not two. :) And I wouldn't characterize Nikitin as bad at reading the cycle; he's just not nimble enough to keep up.

You know who's still worse at both of those qualities? That's Right!! James Wisniewski!! Nikitin has a better shot AND better skating than Wisniewski.

Uh. No. Wisniewski's shot is still more accurate - just check the numbers. He's also considerably more agile. He's not quite as good at decision making as Nikitin, but when Nikitin flubs it, it's damn near impossible for him to recover, whereas Wisniewski can at least get a wild attempt at a desperate stick check half the time. Neither is ideal (particularly since such things shouldn't be happening in the first place!), but we can't have a roster stocked entirely with perfect players.

I think how bad Wiz was in the playoffs has actually clouded your memories of how bad Wiz was during the regular season.

I think your assessment of him as "bad" in the regular season is based largely on two things:
1) a misinterpretation of how special teams work, especially as compared to even strength play, and
2) more confirmation bias per capita than the average 9/11 truther debate.
 

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You can't discuss perceived flaws and use that as evidence that two players are alike. Well that and "get pucks through". Actually, at times, I thought Savard was our best player at getting pucks through. Murray was one of our top two offensive d-men for an extended stretch until he got hurt.

I got the impression that Savard wasn't quite consistent enough with those shots, but I haven't actually checked the numbers myself (Crede did so before I could, and I trust that :) ). If he's actually doing better than I thought, then by all means give that boy more PP minutes.
 

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I got the impression that Savard wasn't quite consistent enough with those shots, but I haven't actually checked the numbers myself (Crede did so before I could, and I trust that :) ). If he's actually doing better than I thought, then by all means give that boy more PP minutes.

Wouldn't be a surprise, I did say "at times". Consistency and young players don't always mix. No idea what the numbers are, just perception watching the games. Savard did score quite a few goals considering his role. He seemed better than some at funneling the puck through and not winding up and getting it blocked.

Not sure I really want to give him more PP time, I barely tolerate Savard to be honest.

I'm not sure shot percentage is what I'd use as a scale for getting the shot through. I will say that Wiz average over 2 shots a game and Nikitin a little over 1 with 7 minutes less of ice time. Murray had over 30 less shots that Nikitin and scored twice as many goals.

I can't see where there is any evidence to support Nikitin as a good shot. We'd have to start looking at advanced stats. His derogatory statement on shots was kind of funny. We brought Wiz in, specifically, as a big right handed shot. Nikitin doesn't seem to have anything special as far a shot.

Just got done reading the book of inaccuracies that someone wrote. My last comment; if that was a bad regular season by Wiz give me that for the next 3 years please. Even player 5 on 5 with almost 30 points on the PP playing 22 minutes a night? Yes please.
 
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This is obviously the case with you since Wisniewski was pretty darn good throughout the regular season, making a case at times to be our best overall defensemen.

His 51 points make the team a better hockey team WAY more than any of the defensive play of our current derensemen. Further, his defensive play during the regular season was actually fairly strong given his role is to put up points from the backend..

Never ever did he make the case for our best overall D man. Savard, Murray and Johnson have been better almost all year. Nikitin also, he was just never given an opportunity to produce offense. Not sure what's up with Tyutin. But their "bad play" doesn't even touch the negative affect Wiz's "bad play" has on us. Wiz's defensive play is and was by far our worst when it comes to our defensemen.


Wisniewski actually had a 4.2% shooting percentage. Nikitin on the other hand had half that at 2.1%. So really the facts don't back that statement up. If the situation were as you stated, Nikitin would have the higher shooting %.

He's paid to put up points. He does that. You shouldn't really expect more even though Wisniewski actually does provide it (he sees PK time and 1st/2nd pairing minutes unlike actual PP specialists like Anton Stralman).

If any of our defensemen had a bad season, it isn't Wisniewski.


Shooting % has nothing to do with getting pucks through traffic or on net. Wiz had 7 goals, Nikitin with 2. This has more to do with the amount of PP time Wiz got than actual ability. You'd be surprised what a few extra open looks on net, 5 on 4 with all day will do to your stats over a full year. He gets paid a lot for the points he gets compared to his PP time and terrible defensive play. He's our highest paid guy, we SHOULD be expecting more than just PP points. The PK time and 1st pairing minutes he gets even most you Wiz defenders understand he SHOULDN'T be getting. What you seem to fail to realize is the only reason he's getting this time is that he's taking up the cap space to bring in a legit defensively responsible d man. And from seeing some of the NYR games I'd say defensively....Stralman>Wisniewski
 

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You can't discuss perceived flaws and use that as evidence that two players are alike. Well that and "get pucks through". Actually, at times, I thought Savard was our best player at getting pucks through. Murray was one of our top two offensive d-men for an extended stretch until he got hurt.

You are right about Savard and Murray. Both are very good at getting the puck to the net in traffic or making the right decision to throw it in the corner. Both better than Wiz or Nikitin. This helps prove my theory that we don't need Wiz's offense like you guys are making it seem. This isn't 3 years ago, we've drafted/developed some good offensive guys back there. And we still have Jack Johnson. And the Erixon thing. The quality Nikitin and Wiz have that those 3 younger guys haven't developed quite yet is that "heavy" slapper.

Nikitin and Wiz are as different as night and day. The thought that Nikitin would get to 50 points with increased PP time is ridiculous. He had one season in which he scored at that pace and it was mostly 5 on 5 points.

I'm not saying he can't reach 40 points, but he's show nothing in the last couple of seasons to suggest that outburst was anything but an anomaly.

Nikitin has value, but it's not 4+ million value and he's not a viable substitute for Wiz in the offensive zone.

I don't know how you can say they're so different. Maybe nationality and how they handle themselves or how they're seen. As hockey players? They're slower than average defensemen, who both have some issues reading and covering guys in the defensive zone. The strength of both is a hard shot and pretty good puck movement/passing. Both really should be 3rd paring guys who see plenty of PP time and very limited PK time. Nikitin if you ask me is way ahead of Wiz when it comes to play in front of the net though.

And i'm not just talking bout a little increase in PP time for Nikitin. I'm talking MULTIPLE GAMES, 200+ minutes worth of time just on the PP. Because that's what Wiz got this year. He's had that 1 good season pointwise because that was the only year he's been used properly. I also don't understand how some of you are acting as if points at even strength are easier to get. That year with that team is enough for me to believe that if given anything close to the PP minutes that Wiz gets this team's would be better with Nikitin (or Savard and Murray) on the PP and whatever else we get from a trade or saved money.

Just to add I think Nikitin gets something around 3.5 a year. And no I don't think it will be with us.
 

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I got a look at this guy during the season and was wondering if he's going to get resigned by you guys? If not how much should he get per year about? Also what are the strengths/weaknesses to his game? He looked like he could be a really good fit for the Isles but I'd like to know more about him.
 

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I got a look at this guy during the season and was wondering if he's going to get resigned by you guys? If not how much should he get per year about? Also what are the strengths/weaknesses to his game? He looked like he could be a really good fit for the Isles but I'd like to know more about him.

Unlikely he's resigned.

On the open market I bet he gets 3-5 years at 4m+.

Strengths are his shot, he's good at getting it on net and through traffic. He's also got good vision. doesn't take too many risks offensively but he does his job. Good one timer

Defensively he's not physical and he loses where he's supposed to be at some point. He has trouble with speed, but if the guy and him are the same speed he does his job. He's had troubles with the breakout pass, and was a turnover machine in his own zone this year. He's a good defenseman but he's a #5 at best
 

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Unlikely he's resigned.

On the open market I bet he gets 3-5 years at 4m+.

Strengths are his shot, he's good at getting it on net and through traffic. He's also got good vision. doesn't take too many risks offensively but he does his job. Good one timer

Defensively he's not physical and he loses where he's supposed to be at some point. He has trouble with speed, but if the guy and him are the same speed he does his job. He's had troubles with the breakout pass, and was a turnover machine in his own zone this year. He's a good defenseman but he's a #5 at best

I don't agree with this. Nikitin usually has a pretty good breakout pass, and is usually not that bad with turnovers. He's an inconsistent second pair guy.
 

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No wonder you have no issues with 5.5 for "anything" when you think a guy that's 3rd pair at best is worth 4+ a year. It just doesn't add up. Either the #5 or the 4m+ has to go.

Open Market. Bid war will drive up his price.
 

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No wonder you have no issues with 5.5 for "anything" when you think a guy that's 3rd pair at best is worth 4+ a year. It just doesn't add up. Either the #5 or the 4m+ has to go.

Your agenda has clouded your vision. Brass is not saying that Nikitin should be paid that, he's saying someone will pay him that, and we shouldn't pay him that.

If there's not an upgrade, I don't know why everyone is in such a hurry to get rid of Nikitin.

Do you want to pay him $4m+? We'd have to ditch another d-man to make roster space for him. If I was GM of a team with a weaker d-group I would gladly pay up, but us?

I think Nikitin's a good second pair guy, but not better than our 6 other second pair guys. We don't have room and should let him walk. It's all foreordained anyways: he was scratched down the stretch which assures he won't be coming back.
 

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I'm curious how folks would rank our defencemen, using the definition of #1 = among the 30 best in the NHL, #2 = 30-60, #3 = 60-90, etc... I find it to be a tough exercise. A guy like Ryan Murray is so consistent but just about everyone else is up and down and its hard to call their spot. JJ, for example, was a #1 beast in the playoffs yet was a disaster in the first months of the season. And where do you put Wiz? He gets a lot of minutes, but probably more than he should, and yet is immensely valuable on the PP.

#1: none
#2: Johnson, Murray
#3: Savard, Wisniewski
#4: Tyutin, Nikitin (UFA)
#5: Goloubef
#6: Prout

Not enough information: Erixon (I expect second pair from him next year).

I say we have 5 or 6 guys who are better than Nikitin, and yet he's a second pair d-man and someone should pay him $4m.
 
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I'm curious how folks would rank our defencemen, using the definition of top pair = 60 best in the NHL, second pair = 60-120, third pair 120-180. I find it to be a tough exercise. A guy like Ryan Murray is so consistent but just about everyone else is up and down and its hard to call their spot. JJ, for example, was a #1 beast in the playoffs yet was a disaster in the first months of the season. And where do you put Wiz? He gets a lot of minutes, but probably more than he should, and yet is immensely valuable on the PP.

#1: none
#2: Johnson, Murray
#3: Savard, Wisniewski
#4: Tyutin, Nikitin (UFA)
#5: Goloubef
#6: Prout

Not enough information: Erixon (I expect second pair from him next year).

I say we have 5 or 6 guys who are better than Nikitin, and yet he's a second pair d-man and someone should pay him $4m.

So help me out here. Are you saying Johnson and Murray rank somewhere between 61-90 or are they between 31-60? I'm having trouble matching your original definition of the top guys with how you ranked ours.
 

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