Confirmed with Link: Nick Robertson asks for trade (Update signs 1 year/875k deal with leafs)

[Evilhomer]

To be honest, Salzburg is much nicer than half of NHL cities.

I would say easily more than half.

 

[MK78]

is this guy stupid? he has next to zero value. he's prob worth about a 3rd if we're lucky right now. does he not see how there's an opportunity to play in the top 6?

new coach too, things could be very different. I just cant see the Leafs rushing to get anything done just because he doesnt wanna be here.

at the end of the day the Mr. Nice Guy GM shit should be over. Dubas give up some players for less than he likely could have gotten just because he was doing what was right for the player.

well screw you Nick. sign a offer sheet to force their hand or sit out the season. the 3rd for you isn;'t all that interesting

Yeah I dont understand why he just doesn't give the new coaches a try. Or he must hate some players that are here.

Either way, sit out you little shit.

 

[Hellcat]

He's his own worse enemy, new coach (Fresh start), no real defined LW for any of the top 4 positions, he now has to pass through waivers - he'd get claimed - so there is zero chance they put him on waivers and a 100% he gets one of the top 4 LW jobs.. His trade value is not all that high, there is zero incentive for the Leafs to trade him. I suspect at the end of season interviews he was told something that pissed him off and/or he is really pissed about being scratched in game 7..

 

[Apex Predator]

What if he and Berube have talked and he didn’t like what Berube had to say?

 

[Stephen]

What if he and Berube have talked and he didn’t like what Berube had to say?

You know that could very well be true… although when you look at his overall game you can easily imagine most NHL coaches would have some critical points about the way he plays. He’s got a booming, out of this world shot and a motor. What else is going on?

 

[TheDoldrums]

Seems like he's just petulant and stubborn. it's like he made up his mind at the end of last season that he wanted a trade and refuses to budge even though basically every move by the team since has been to his potential benefit. They let Bertuzzi go without a replacement, freeing up a top 6 LW spot. They changed coaches, giving him a fresh start there. But because he had his mind set, no amount of concessions will make the kid sign.

I'm definitely fine with playing hardball and calling his bluff. I still really like the talent, his goal scoring per minute numbers are really good. I don't want to let him go without a fight.

 

[Stringer Bell]

Unless he's traded to a bottom 5 team, he could easily find himself in a new organization's doghouse. No team gives a player a longer rope than the team that drafted them. If a team acquires him for a bargain based on his value, they won't hesitate to shelve him.

 

[LaPlante94]

Actually seems odd why he still wants to be traded. Coach that disliked him is now gone and he has a chance to get top 6 minutes and PP2 time if he can beat out McMann or Knies. According to one of the insiders he wants to go somewhere to get exactly that. This is a small guy who was drafted 53rd overall and barely developed in the AHL. A chance to compete for a top 6 role on a contending team isn't good enough for him then either get rid of him or be petty and make him go play overseas. Anaheim might be the best fit for him for what he wants imo but I'm not 100% sure what they got. Solberg and I think Pettersson from the last draft who were actually 2 guys we were highly interested in apparently are 2 I know of off the top of my head.

 

[Gilmour1996]

...No team gives a player a longer rope than the team that drafted them...

Maybe Kyle still has his Robbie Rope ready for a fitting.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Robertson will not get you much in the way of a trade, I'd play hardball with him and let him sit. The team holds all the leverage.

 

[DragoGrizzly]

I’ve mentioned this before, but if Robertson is looking at the lineup and realizing he has no clear path to PP1 minutes, wouldn’t it make sense to ask for a trade? As long as he’s on the Leafs and their loaded top line PP unit, his value will always be minimized. Him and his agent feeling the best way to prove his worth and get a better contract is on another team.
That being said the Leafs are under no obligation to meet his demands. They have the true leverage here. I’m kind of tired of the Leafs making moves just to be good guys.

 

[Puckstuff]

Nylander-Matthews-Domi
Knies-Tavares-Marner
McMann-Holmberg-Robertson
Dewar-Kampf-Jarnkrok

Note:
This is based on the fact
1. Domi and Matthews have worked well together
2. Neither of Robertson or Nylander work with Tavares
3. One of McMann or Robertson needs to play RW.
4. McMann and Knies are interchangeable
5. Domi and Nylander can switch between RW/LW

 

[rumman]

Unless he's traded to a bottom 5 team, he could easily find himself in a new organization's doghouse. No team gives a player a longer rope than the team that drafted them. If a team acquires him for a bargain based on his value, they won't hesitate to shelve him.

Penguins and Boy Wonder just traded for McGroaty who apparently wanted a guarantee he would have a spot on the team before playing a minute in the NHL, so yes there are teams stupid enough to cater to unwarranted player demands………

 

[rumman]

Robertson will not get you much in the way of a trade, I'd play hardball with him and let him sit. The team holds all the leverage.

Spot on assessment, we’re going to find out just how determined Robertson is to not play here, it’s a shame, I think his upside is way higher than most others here are. Too many butt hurt fans imo, it’s his right not to sign, it’s the team’s right to let him sit……..

 

[QJo]

Nylander-Matthews-Domi
Knies-Tavares-Marner
McMann-Holmberg-Robertson
Dewar-Kampf-Jarnkrok

Note:
This is based on the fact
1. Domi and Matthews have worked well together
2. Neither of Robertson or Nylander work with Tavares
3. One of McMann or Robertson needs to play RW.
4. McMann and Knies are interchangeable
5. Domi and Nylander can switch between RW/LW

These are pretty close to the lines I believe in . Agree with notes 1, 4 and 5.

 

[Hellcat]

You know that could very well be true… although when you look at his overall game you can easily imagine most NHL coaches would have some critical points about the way he plays. He’s got a booming, out of this world shot and a motor. What else is going on?

In a very sheltered role, he is very effective. If he does not improve his two way game, I see a PP specialist with protected minutes even strength. He reminds me of a guy who thinks score, score score, even when he is 200 ft away from his opponents net.

 

[notbias]

This thread is full of people who complain about assets being wasted saying the Leafs should waste an asset.

 

[yort2010]

If the kid doesn’t sign in Toronto, my feeling is he’s either extremely hard headed and stubborn or he’s getting some professional advice that doesn’t suit his position.

If you’re 22 or 23 and headed to the Swiss League, no matter the circumstances, you’re probably closer to Denis Malgin territory than Jason Robertson territory. To thumb your nose at the Leafs for that. Just mind boggling.

or maybe he's sick of being sent down because the leafs didnt have enough cap room and he was the sacrificial lamb.

Maybe the leafs should have thought about the negative consequences about managing their cap better picking the min wage guys.

I have no problems with what Nick is doing

 

[yort2010]

is this guy stupid? he has next to zero value. he's prob worth about a 3rd if we're lucky right now. does he not see how there's an opportunity to play in the top 6?

new coach too, things could be very different. I just cant see the Leafs rushing to get anything done just because he doesnt wanna be here.

at the end of the day the Mr. Nice Guy GM shit should be over. Dubas give up some players for less than he likely could have gotten just because he was doing what was right for the player.

well screw you Nick. sign a offer sheet to force their hand or sit out the season. the 3rd for you isn;'t all that interesting

maybe he doesn't want to be sent down again, and again, for no reason other than they don't have cap room because they failed to manage their cap appropriately. So Nick needs to suffer? i think he deserves somewhere else.

 

[1specter]

Make him sit, don't cave into his demands

 

[ULF_55]

What if he and Berube have talked and he didn’t like what Berube had to say?

Well, then it is a good thing he's staying away and we thank him.

Since we're just speculating, does that mean there isn't a team out there willing to give value for Robertson?

The great thing is, they probably have 5 players who can replace him. Grebenkin, Cowan, Nylander, Steeves, Abruzzese, JvR, Tverberg, Minten, sure not a 1-1 exchange, but most of them probably bring a better or perhaps more fully equipped toolbox.

 

[ULF_55]

maybe he doesn't want to be sent down again, and again, for no reason other than they don't have cap room because they failed to manage their cap appropriately. So Nick needs to suffer? i think he deserves somewhere else.

He isn't waiver exempt now, so another team could claim him.

And he'll be on a one-way deal, so same money.

Unless he thinks no one would claim him?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Exactly this.

The only thing Robertson is to be told is "no change of plans, come to camp in shape and ready."

It's none of his business whether the team has plans to trade him, keep him, or anything.

I would suggest it is absolutely his business if the team is looking to trade him how is it not?

 

[notbias]

Well, then it is a good thing he's staying away and we thank him.

Since we're just speculating, does that mean there isn't a team out there willing to give value for Robertson?

The great thing is, they probably have 5 players who can replace him. Grebenkin, Cowan, Nylander, Steeves, Abruzzese, JvR, Tverberg, Minten, sure not a 1-1 exchange, but most of them probably bring a better or perhaps more fully equipped toolbox.

If we need secondary scoring, I am not sure any of those players can replace him.

He outproduced Knies and McMann with less of an opportunity.

Greb is a dark horse, but doubt it.

Cowan would likely be higher up the lineup, so maybe.

JVR, maybe with PP time.

The rest, no.

Some of these players like Steeves, Abruzzese, Minten, and Tverberg have little offensive upside.

Nylander got all of his 15 points in 32% of the games he played, I think it was a flash in the pan and nothing more, his production tapered off towards the end of the season.

The first half with CBJ was 11 points in 12 games
The second half with CBJ was 4 points in 11 games

I'm intrigued by Nylander, just think it is more likely he will be nothing, but curious if being around his brother might help a little.

I would suggest it is absolutely his business if the team is looking to trade him how is it not?

Because the same people who want everyone to take a discount expect the players to realize this is a business and they are just an employee.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I would call up Utah about either Nick Bjugstad or Jack Mcbain because both are big bodies that play center.

And because they play center that also fix the LW problem.

Domi Matthews Marner

Kines Tavares Nylander

Mcmann Bjugstad/Mcbain Jarnkork

Either Bjugstad or Mcbain allows you to shift Domi to the wing, Bump Bobby Mcmann down to the 3rd line and your wings are set, and they are just as strong if not stronger than last year and then you can focus on other needs, whatever they are at the deadline because your wings are set.