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usernamezrhardtodo said:
I agree. It seems when players come here with a bit of a rep for being physical they end up becoming just a big skill player and never do what they used to do for the other team. I fully believe they (management) keep thinking if they don't engage in rough stuff they will be awarded the extra PP's. They never do because the refs play the 'even up' game and if they don't commit penalties...they don't get PP's either. So, oddly enough...to get PP time you need to commit some penalties.

Look at Muzzin...he was hitting everything in site for the first 20 games of his stint here. Now...I can't even remember 1x this year that he laid out a guy. I don't believe it's injuries either...he was told to stop.
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Or maybe he just thought why should I bother exerting myself when I'm the only one.
 
usernamezrhardtodo said:
I agree. It seems when players come here with a bit of a rep for being physical they end up becoming just a big skill player and never do what they used to do for the other team. I fully believe they (management) keep thinking if they don't engage in rough stuff they will be awarded the extra PP's. They never do because the refs play the 'even up' game and if they don't commit penalties...they don't get PP's either. So, oddly enough...to get PP time you need to commit some penalties.

Look at Muzzin...he was hitting everything in site for the first 20 games of his stint here. Now...I can't even remember 1x this year that he laid out a guy. I don't believe it's injuries either...he was told to stop.
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Jake had 61 hits his first season with us, 109 the following season and 101 in the covid season.
It seems he's still hitting :dunno:
Jake Muzzin Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
 
Stephen said:
In a playoff context, the more assholish Ritchie is, the better. You really want teams coming in and looking to settle the score with him and get completely derailed than have a quiet good citizen out there.
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Leafs and Lightening have had nearly identical 5v5 performance. Difference is penalties. And the Lightning draw more penalties. Which also means the Lightning draw more power players.

This is really what separates the Lightning as a team from the Maple Leafs.

I wonder if this is what the Dube has run the numbers on.
 
Kiwi said:
Is that a good thing? He struggles to stay fit which isn't exactly thrilling
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It really sends that this is part of the new NHL for physical players. 82 games Kessel style or xx amount of games playing tough.
I would be interested to see how the injuries went up as the boards got stiffer.
Not playing a full season seems to normal for physical players
 
saltming said:
I feel they are pretty subjective but the count was pretty consistent for the 2 seasons the poster was referring too and I personally didn't feel that he stopped hitting
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Fair enough. I've felt for a long time that hit stats are terrible but I don't pay that close attention so I'll take your word for it.
 
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saltming said:
Jake had 61 hits his first season with us, 109 the following season and 101 in the covid season.
It seems he's still hitting :dunno:
Jake Muzzin Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
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Do you remember him laying someone out with a hit like he did when he first got here? I can't think of 1x this season...not one. He may have hits...but we all know all hits are not equal.
 
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saltming said:
It really sends that this is part of the new NHL for physical players. 82 games Kessel style or xx amount of games playing tough.
I would be interested to see how the injuries went up as the boards got stiffer.
Not playing a full season seems to normal for physical players
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Not sure I follow, what do you mean? Playing in the 80's and 90's can can vouch that the boards in the 80's were like rock walls, they got progressively "softer" in the 90's.
 
usernamezrhardtodo said:
Do you remember him laying someone out with a hit like he did when he first got here? I can't think of 1x this season...not one. He may have hits...but we all know all hits are not equal.
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I cant recall the player but I'm sure he pasted a guy on the Flamers
 
TheProspector said:
Leafs and Lightening have had nearly identical 5v5 performance. Difference is penalties. And the Lightning draw more penalties. Which also means the Lightning draw more power players.

This is really what separates the Lightning as a team from the Maple Leafs.

I wonder if this is what the Dube has run the numbers on.
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But the Lightning play their stars way less than the Leafs do to get that "nearly identical 5v5 performance" to the Leafs.
 
Bluelines said:
Not sure I follow, what do you mean? Playing in the 80's and 90's can can vouch that the boards in the 80's were like rock walls, they got progressively "softer" in the 90's.
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Not to mention the evolution of padding which seems to have allowed players in the 90s to throw hits that would have separated their own shoulders in the 70s. Modern players can fly around at a lot higher speeds with the current body armor but it protects the body a lot better than the head.

I think concussion type injuries simply went unreported as such in the 70s and 80s. Player x just got worse or retired early and it wasn't clear to the fans why.
 
TheProspector said:
Leafs and Lightening have had nearly identical 5v5 performance. Difference is penalties. And the Lightning draw more penalties. Which also means the Lightning draw more power players.

This is really what separates the Lightning as a team from the Maple Leafs.

I wonder if this is what the Dube has run the numbers on.
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I can think of many things that separate these two teams. IMO the most obvious one is that their level of play doesn't go down as the stakes rise the way our level of play has been doing for several years now. The stakes are of course higher in the playoffs and highest in deciding games and compare how we played in game 7 compared to how TB played. TB won 1-0, outshooting NYI 31-18 whereas the Maple Leafs, well I think we all know what happened there.
 
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nuck said:
Not to mention the evolution of padding which seems to have allowed players in the 90s to throw hits that would have separated their own shoulders in the 70s. Modern players can fly around at a lot higher speeds with the current body armor but it protects the body a lot better than the head.

I think concussion type injuries simply went unreported as such in the 70s and 80s. Player x just got worse or retired early and it wasn't clear to the fans why.
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Good points, I got two concussion in the same game in the mid 80's, knocked out twice in the same period, I remember my coach telling my mom, he got he bell rung a couple times but he will be OK. Only time I've ever been knocked out, both were from clean hits... that was not reported as a concussion, reported as "bell rung" ;)
 
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IPS said:
But the Lightning play their stars way less than the Leafs do to get that "nearly identical 5v5 performance" to the Leafs.
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Better balance on the TBL roster. Will be interesting to see now that they lost their 3rd line, if that balance continues.
 
IPS said:
But the Lightning play their stars way less than the Leafs do to get that "nearly identical 5v5 performance" to the Leafs.
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For total TOI the Tampa top 3 skaters were 18:16 to 18:54 the last two seasons. Cirelli snuck in for 18:27 in 19-20 but otherwise all the other forwards under 18:00. In the playoffs they ratcheted the minutes up over 20:00 for some with the max being Kuch at 21:40 and nobody else over 21:00. In the two preceding years with no Tampa Cups Kuch played 19:49 and 19:58 in the regular season.

The Leafs were not as deep but still; Matthews and Marner 20:58 to 22:26 and Hyman 19:06 and 19:22. In the playoffs they were 23:53 to 25:00 for AM and MM . I am not as concerned with regular season scoring comparisons with the clubs as much as the changes they make in player use in the post season. The extra minutes inflates the scoring results during the regular season and but depletes them for the playoffs. It seems like the club was maybe too concerned about winning the regular season in a year where home ice advantage meant less than usual..
 
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