Nick Foligno is not a leaf

[djdev]

lol, people need to stop living in the past.

 

[Buds17]

I was hoping for The Foligno Leap Part II and a higher number of playoff games for both the player and the team.

 

[Nooodles]

First I was really mad at him. He played the "this is a dream come true for me to play for the Leafs, and you know my dad and all blablabla" pretty well and I believed him. Than he signed with Boston of all, after he was a pos for us in the playoffs. A true traitor.

Now it seems like he really is a Maple Leaf who played 4D chess, knew he was injured and basically done, so he spared the Leafs and signed with the true enemy to f*** them up.
Outstanding move.

p.s.: I still think he is a prick, but I hope he recovers for his sake.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I liked the trade at the time, but in the end, it was a bad move

 

[deltamachine]

When you hit on a stud with every pick in every round, top picks aren't necessary.

He also traded Trevor Moore and a couple of 3rds for Jack Campbell. Trevor fawkin Moore. That alone makes up for alot of hindsight bad trades.

 

[LeafSteel]

Hated giving up a 1st for Foligno. He was done, and it was clear he was done. It was a bad trade, that backfired badly for us. The only good thing about it is we didn't re-sign him.

I appreciate Dubas hits on his picks, but if he can find good players in the 2nd, 3rd, and later rounds, would be nice for him to pick from the 1st rounds sometimes too......

 

[MR4]

I feel like if the media & fans weren’t pushing so much on how this team needs toughness & intangibles, Dubas would’ve went for Hall instead with our 1st. Which would’ve played out infinitely better for us

 

[ACC1224]

He also traded Trevor Moore and a couple of 3rds for Jack Campbell. Trevor fawkin Moore. That alone makes up for alot of hindsight bad trades.

I like Trevor Moore and he seems to be working out for the Kings.
Turned out to be a great trade though, no doubt.

 

[cupcrazyman]

The planets must be aligning because Dubas buffoonery has finally turned us into one of the top regular season team playing a full schedule.

I also agree that aquiring Foligno was a big mistake.

 

[meefer]

Hated giving up a 1st for Foligno. He was done, and it was clear he was done. It was a bad trade, that backfired badly for us. The only good thing about it is we didn't re-sign him.

I appreciate Dubas hits on his picks, but if he can find good players in the 2nd, 3rd, and later rounds, would be nice for him to pick from the 1st rounds sometimes too......

"Of course, it didn't lead to a fairy-tale ending. Foligno started strong enough, recording an assist in each of his first four games with Toronto."

Not exactly the start for a player who was clearly done.

"I was just dealing with a really bad back injury that was debilitating," Foligno said. "There was nerve pain. Shut down my whole right leg. It was really disappointing that happened at the time it happened. Anything else you can play through a lot of times. This I couldn't. I tried and I just couldn't be the player — I like to hit and forecheck and do the things necessary in order to win the hard minutes of the game. So when that kind of got taken away now I had to rely more on my positional play and trying not to hurt the team, instead of trying to help the team it felt like. That bothered me a lot as a player just because I knew I could give more, I just physically couldn't."

It's fair to argue that Dubas paid a high price for Foligno. It's also fair to suggest the injury was not on Dubas, that the injury affected the outcome of the trade, and that had the injury not occurred we might be singing a different song about how Foligno contributed to the team during last year's playoffs.

Nick Foligno discusses Leafs' playoff loss, 'debilitating' back injury

 

[ShaneFalco]

"Of course, it didn't lead to a fairy-tale ending. Foligno started strong enough, recording an assist in each of his first four games with Toronto."

Not exactly the start for a player who was clearly done.

"I was just dealing with a really bad back injury that was debilitating," Foligno said. "There was nerve pain. Shut down my whole right leg. It was really disappointing that happened at the time it happened. Anything else you can play through a lot of times. This I couldn't. I tried and I just couldn't be the player — I like to hit and forecheck and do the things necessary in order to win the hard minutes of the game. So when that kind of got taken away now I had to rely more on my positional play and trying not to hurt the team, instead of trying to help the team it felt like. That bothered me a lot as a player just because I knew I could give more, I just physically couldn't."

It's fair to argue that Dubas paid a high price for Foligno. It's also fair to suggest the injury was not on Dubas, that the injury affected the outcome of the trade, and that had the injury not occurred we might be singing a different song about how Foligno contributed to the team during last year's playoffs.

Nick Foligno discusses Leafs' playoff loss, 'debilitating' back injury

I feel for him but Dubas made a bad trade there as they all do

 

[Maple Leaf]

Can we trade back and get the first back?

 

[TheScandal89]

I wanted to go for Hall but it was a unpopular opinion, at least he woulda been on the ice . Either way, what's done is done. Without JT and Price being lights out, would it even have mattered?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

If only we still had Lou throwing a couple 2nd's at the corpse of Thomas Plekanecs. Definitely would be better off.

 

[The Iceman]

It's all fun and games, but it cost us a 1st round pick.

Dubas trades away our 1st every year and gets nowhere. Higher management should prevent him from doing it. All it does is close our window sooner, and he doesn't care because if he gets fired he's not dealing with the repercussions of 5+ years without a 1st round pick.

How would you like Dubas to bolster his cap strapped team?
Need to give up a top asset to do so.

Get ready for a similar add this season to get a top 4 RHD.

 

[The Iceman]

I put all 3 on him.

He negotiated the Marner/Nylander/Matthews contract. You can argue Marleau was a bad contract signed by Lou, but he was on the last year of his deal. The reason we couldn't afford 1 bad contract was because he overpaid our stars at the time.

If Marleau had 2-3 years left on his deal, I can blame Lou. But we had no cap space because of Dubas, not Lou. I firmly believe Lou gets a cheaper contract for Marner/Matthews/Nylander and does not need to trade Marleau for 1 year of cap relief at the cost of a 1st.

So:
Marleau - Overpaid Matthews/Marner/Nylander relative to the league, no cap space for even 1 year of Marleau - cost us a 1st, on Dubas
Foligno - 1st for nothing
Muzzin - 1st for 'improving our team from 1st round exit to 1st round exit'


He's improved our team to what? When will we see the results of 3 straight 1st round picks removed?

GEEZ, all these horrible moves.
I guess the team must not be well represented at the WJC and we are way down in the standings...let me check

I see 4th in the NHL so it is not that.
I see Campbell and Kase, Bunting and Sandin, Kampf and Lily, Niemela Hirvonen, and Knies so it is not that.
Where did all these good players come from?

Is that you Grinch?

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I wanted to go for Hall but it was a unpopular opinion, at least he woulda been on the ice . Either way, what's done is done. Without JT and Price being lights out, would it even have mattered?

I think so. Aside from Hall being the flat out better player than Foligno, a big reason for getting Hall would’ve been Star Insurance in case the worst case scenario happened, which it did when Tavares was injured.

I feel like if the media & fans weren’t pushing so much on how this team needs toughness & intangibles, Dubas would’ve went for Hall instead with our 1st. Which would’ve played out infinitely better for us

If Dubas is making moves based on what the fans and media think he should be fired yesterday. I don’t think he is at all to be clear.

 

[wingman75]

I think so. Aside from Hall being the flat out better player than Foligno, a big reason for getting Hall would’ve been Star Insurance in case the worst case scenario happened, which it did when Tavares was injured.

If Dubas is making moves based on what the fans and media think he should be fired yesterday. I don’t think he is at all to be clear.

Oh man, you are so right. For anyone to think an NHL GM, let alone Dubas, would be influenced by the media is outright comical.

 

[AvroArrow]

Sucks we traded for him but at least he isn't our problem anymore. I don't agree with the Hyman suggestion in the OP, I think he will be a very good player for the next 3 years at least for Edmonton. We could've desperately used him for our top 6, but we're still doing ok without him. But yeah Foligno has been garbage. Freddys numbers look better but I've seen enough of him to know. All of our goalies last year performed behind this group except Freddy. He will be terribad.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

First I was really mad at him. He played the "this is a dream come true for me to play for the Leafs, and you know my dad and all blablabla" pretty well and I believed him. Than he signed with Boston of all, after he was a pos for us in the playoffs. A true traitor.

Now it seems like he really is a Maple Leaf who played 4D chess, knew he was injured and basically done, so he spared the Leafs and signed with the true enemy to f*** them up.
Outstanding move.

p.s.: I still think he is a prick, but I hope he recovers for his sake.

Sums it right up.

 

[TheProspector]

Nick Foligno was an uncharacteristic mistake from the Dube. He looked bad in every single game. And it didn't seem to be that difficult to predict.

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

I wouldn't bet on Freddie declining anytime soon.

That doesn't mean the Leafs should've re-signed him because context matters. The media and fans effectively ran Freddie out of town so keeping him was not an option.

 

[Teeder Keon]

Ohhhhh that hindsight is a hell of a drug !!!!

 

[Voodoo Child]

First I was really mad at him. He played the "this is a dream come true for me to play for the Leafs, and you know my dad and all blablabla" pretty well and I believed him. Than he signed with Boston of all, after he was a pos for us in the playoffs. A true traitor.

Now it seems like he really is a Maple Leaf who played 4D chess, knew he was injured and basically done, so he spared the Leafs and signed with the true enemy to f*** them up.
Outstanding move.

p.s.: I still think he is a prick, but I hope he recovers for his sake.

The thing that jammed me up was how it was hard to leave Columbus ‘because the hospital is so good for my daughter!’

When yo, I respect a man looking out for his family, but the Hospital for Sick Children (SickKids sounds like something a committee decided on to sound edgy, to me it sounds like ‘Sick Kids’), is at the absolute worst a top-5 pediatric hospital in the world.

And I thought he was going back to Columbus, because again the hospital, then he signs with a hard-declining B’s team - I wouldn’t want to play them again, but I don’t think they have anything more than a few 1st round victories left in them.