Nick Foligno is not a leaf
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ACC1224
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Would have been better had they dodged the first bullet and he was never a Leaf in the first place.
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Rude Dog
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I was so glad when he signed with Boston. I know he was hurt, but I can't recall a single play outside of his fight where he impacted a game. His assists were normally secondary. Good player in his day, but close to the end.
Stephen
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Kase and Ritchie for Foligno when you consider the cap implications and teams involved.
At the end of the day we’re still the suckers who gave up a 1st and 2 4ths for his useless ass
Kurtz
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Never commit big money/term to an aging power-forward with an injury history (as most of them tend to have). Edmonton is a year or two from learning this harsh lesson as well (something that they should have learned with Lucic).
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bad tradeoff for Boston on Kase alone thus far
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Not a Hall fan. Never have been. Mediocrity follows him.
zeke
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This year
O.Kase EV 21gl/37pt pace (PP 3gl/9pt)
T.Hall EV 10gl/28pt pace (PP 6gl/16pt)
Ritchie EV 3gl/14pt pace (PP 0gl/9pt)
Foligno EV 0gl/14pt pace (PP 0gl/5pt)
Last 2 years
T.Hall EV 11gl/35pt pace (PP 4gl/14pt)
O.Kase EV 19gl/33pt pace (PP 3gl/8pt)
Foligno EV 7gl/22pt pace (PP 1gl/4pt)
Ritchie EV 11gl/21pt pace (PP 5gl/12pt)
O.Kase EV 21gl/37pt pace (PP 3gl/9pt)
T.Hall EV 10gl/28pt pace (PP 6gl/16pt)
Ritchie EV 3gl/14pt pace (PP 0gl/9pt)
Foligno EV 0gl/14pt pace (PP 0gl/5pt)
Last 2 years
T.Hall EV 11gl/35pt pace (PP 4gl/14pt)
O.Kase EV 19gl/33pt pace (PP 3gl/8pt)
Foligno EV 7gl/22pt pace (PP 1gl/4pt)
Ritchie EV 11gl/21pt pace (PP 5gl/12pt)
ACC1224
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It's all fun and games, but it cost us a 1st round pick.
Dubas trades away our 1st every year and gets nowhere. Higher management should prevent him from doing it. All it does is close our window sooner, and he doesn't care because if he gets fired he's not dealing with the repercussions of 5+ years without a 1st round pick.
Dubas trades away our 1st every year and gets nowhere. Higher management should prevent him from doing it. All it does is close our window sooner, and he doesn't care because if he gets fired he's not dealing with the repercussions of 5+ years without a 1st round pick.
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He was great last year on the Bruins. Dynamic player and for the price Boston paid..... Could have been a huge add for us.
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When you hit on a stud with every pick in every round, top picks aren't necessary.
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Would you rather have Nick Foligno last season or a first round pick?
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We've drafted in the 1st round in 8 of the last 10 years - and still have all of our future firsts, so this take is a bit premature imo.
he drafts well, we have a good prospect pool, we aren't in a rebuild.
Foligno got hurt, even though it was market value, still a steep price for him though.
He fixed Lou's mistake (he also got a first back this year)
We got Muzzin
Ya, not too worried about how he trades the 1st round picks.
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That's cause we've traded our players for 1sts due to cap issues. It's not always our own pick.
Let's see
2021 - Traded for Foligno
2020 - Traded to move Marleau's bad contract, traded Kapanen + for a 1st round pick back because we traded ours away
2019 - Traded for Muzzin
See a pattern forming?
So we traded our 1st round pick the last 3 years. If we trade it this year, it's 4 consecutive years.
Just because we traded a young top prospect to get a 1st back, doesn't mean we didn't trade ours.
So Dubas has traded our first round pick the last 3 years... and he's managed to improve our team from:
Losing in the first round to... losing in the first round.
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stickty111
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Only the Foligno one you can put on Dubas. The Muzzin trade was good and still is good. I see no problem with those.
Whats the pattern? The only pattern I see is Dubas either traded a 1st for a good player in Muzzin, and got a 1st for selling Kapanen at a perfect time, whicb means good trades bg him. Marleau trade is on Lou for signing him. Also are you suggesting he only got a first for Kapanen because we traded it away? Thats horrible logic. Dubas was getting a 1st in that trade with or without a 1st already.
The Foligno one is bad no doubt
stickty111
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I put all 3 on him.
He negotiated the Marner/Nylander/Matthews contract. You can argue Marleau was a bad contract signed by Lou, but he was on the last year of his deal. The reason we couldn't afford 1 bad contract was because he overpaid our stars at the time.
If Marleau had 2-3 years left on his deal, I can blame Lou. But we had no cap space because of Dubas, not Lou. I firmly believe Lou gets a cheaper contract for Marner/Matthews/Nylander and does not need to trade Marleau for 1 year of cap relief at the cost of a 1st.
So:
Marleau - Overpaid Matthews/Marner/Nylander relative to the league, no cap space for even 1 year of Marleau - cost us a 1st, on Dubas
Foligno - 1st for nothing
Muzzin - 1st for 'improving our team from 1st round exit to 1st round exit'
He's improved our team to what? When will we see the results of 3 straight 1st round picks removed?
stickty111
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Yeah now your just really stretching things. Again terrible logic. So you were okay with having a useless Marleau at what 6 million? I'm glad Dubas is the GM then. Thats a Lou mistake that Dubas had to fix, but sure lets blame Dubas there too.
Yeah Marleau was the result of Lou. You are actually blaming Dubas for that? Hilarious.
Please the Muzzin trade is fantastic. You somehow think thats a bad deal but you are wrong there too.
There is only one mistake by Dubas and thats Foligno.
Lets blame Dubas for the Zaitsev contract while we are at it.
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