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Niagara Icedogs 2024-25 Season Thread, Part IV

Dogs Enthusiast said:
Correct Buttsy. All they would offer BB is enough money to get thru the next few to several months. In theory enough so that he can take his time to find new employment. We won't be getting 3 years salary, that is for sure.
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based on everything ive heard he shouldnt be owed a dime
 
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knowescape said:
Still going to be expensive. Plus having to pay a replacement... We thought DD was cheap before...
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Maybe not what you think. If mgmt are on the ball.
Oh, wait a minute...
OHL4Life said:
the league is running everything now. nothing can happen without their approval. they are for all purposes hiring the new gm and coach.
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In all honesty, at the moment, what experienced Mjr Junior coaches would want anywhere near this situation ?
 
knowescape said:
I haven't seen any reports, have you? If so, please share. I am guessing BB and the ACs put the blame on DD for the culture issues. DD through WC fired them, refused to renew their contracts, out of spite, which was still within his power to do though it damages his team. I still maintain BB has a case against DD and the league for failing in their fiduciary role. I await the OHL's transparency, while Niagara fans suffer.
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The challenge to this whole mess is that we have not seen anything on paper that is a smoking gun, other than a feeling that there was a lack of competence in the ownership management of the team
OHL4Life said:
the league is running everything now. nothing can happen without their approval. they are for all purposes hiring the new gm and coach.
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The league will locate the new GM and direct DD to hire and pay him or her. The GM will then have full power to hire the coaching staff and make day to day decisions about the team. It will be interesting to see how the off ice things like marketing are handled because they are not the purview of the GM usually. I am sure a review is going to happen of all the billets as well.
Dogs Enthusiast said:
Somebody mentioned a good point. The league can't flat out announce they are forcing a sale because that can impact the sale price as the seller is a "distressed seller".

I just can't see DD keeping the team and not being involved. You buy something like this for a few reasons. You enjoy managing a hockey team, or you want to be a silent owner and you are in it for a passive stream of income as an investment. I doubt DD is the type of person to just sit back and wait for the yearly dividend. So a sale must be coming soon.
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The league is going to be leery of a sale of the team because of their track record findin ownership consider that the league authorized the sale to the last 2 sets of owners.
Dogs Enthusiast said:
Correct Buttsy. All they would offer BB is enough money to get thru the next few to several months. In theory enough so that he can take his time to find new employment. We won't be getting 3 years salary, that is for sure.
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Depending on what happened, BB could be entitled to the remainder of his contract in full just like any other coach. BUT again there is nothing stopping the new GM from talking to BB and possibly hiring him at this point

The trainer leaving is an issue but why the trainer left is the part that we do not know was it an issue with BB or was it the way DD and WC treated him

No matter what the league is going to have to come out with the results of the investigation inroeder to answer a lot of questions.

At this point I see the league with a problem team that is lacking managerial talent. The league has stepped in and decided that the best thing at this point is for them to keep the owner let him learn, if possible, from a GM who is competent, in the hoipes that he is able to correct his ways. The issue is who the GM is going to be there are not a lot of qualified GMS that are looking for work. The GM they choose, AI, has to think will be a retired one who will be in for a little while to sort things out and train a new GM to take his place.

As to coaches in all fairness to BB the league has to come clean with why he wsa let go so that there is not the cloud over him.
 
I think you could find the investigation found that when issues were brought to BB and DD they took the Quenneville /Bowman approach….don’t bother me with ‘distractions’, move on, ignore it and it will go away. When that’s your standard operating procedure you are in trouble. If BB isn’t relieved of duties he probably would have faced suspension.
 
OHL4Life said:
based on everything ive heard he shouldnt be owed a dime
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Tell me, what have you heard that was so bad of BB and his coaching staff?

All indications are BB's hands were tied. He was being told what to do by the 3 stooges (DD, WC and Walters).

This all happens when you have an agent dictating player lineups and line combo's to suit his players. The arrogance of some of these players of Walters', who by the way, were the troublemakers on the team because they knew that they can get away with anything. These players are given everything on this team. And you want to do is criticize the coaching staff.

For arguments sake, let's say that BB was not the right choice to manage these arrogant players. Are you also suggesting that Daniel Paille was negligent as a coach as well. DP has a reputation as a no-nonsense, hard working, character guy that i would take over any of the 3 stooges.
 
SilverCity said:
Tell me, what have you heard that was so bad of BB and his coaching staff?

All indications are BB's hands were tied. He was being told what to do by the 3 stooges (DD, WC and Walters).

This all happens when you have an agent dictating player lineups and line combo's to suit his players. The arrogance of some of these players of Walters', who by the way, were the troublemakers on the team because they knew that they can get away with anything. These players are given everything on this team. And you want to do is criticize the coaching staff.

For arguments sake, let's say that BB was not the right choice to manage these arrogant players. Are you also suggesting that Daniel Paille was negligent as a coach as well. DP has a reputation as a no-nonsense, hard working, character guy that i would take over any of the 3 stooges.
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im not going to post it publicly, but there have been 3 complaints on him that have nothing to do with the owner other then the owner and manager did not do anything about it. one was non hockey and involved a team staff member, another involved the trainer who left, and the third was with a player.

you dont have to believe me, but they happened.
 
dogfan said:
I think this is pretty clear.
The OHL cleaned house and they have left DD on the hook to pay the bills until a new owner is found.
The league has a lot to do before a sale is final and last time they hurried a sale, look what happened. I think we’ve all heard there are a couple perspective owners out there.
Once an owner is found, there is no need for a liaison and the change will be complete.
I just hope the new GM and coach can convince the players to stay or to sign.
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Still a long way until late august too. Lots of time for them to find their guy.
 
Players are pissed that the coaches have been fired and treated poorly in the process. Apparently, the coaches were told they could reapply to the new GM to be reinstated. I was told that Mike Futa is meeting with DD on Saturday which to me makes no sense. You would think that meeting should be with the OHL not DD.
 
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Dog Fan said:
I was told that Mike Futa is meeting with DD on Saturday which to me makes no sense. You would think that meeting should be with the OHL not DD.
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said it already but IMO DD will still try to interfere even if the league says he can’t and this if true kinda goes towards my point
 
frontsfan67 said:
I think we can all agree on that. Would be a great beer league coach though!
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Yea,

BB also had LOTS of red flags in how he handled himself even in the media.
He was throwing teenagers under the bus in interviews like crazy. -This is not something you see very much from a JR hockey coach and a good way to have lots of people turn on you.
A lot of the systems were shit too. He instilled a identity that had the team trying to thrive in chaos on the ice. -Apparently it was the same off the ice lol.
 
ScoutLife4 said:
Yea,

BB also had LOTS of red flags in how he handled himself even in the media.
He was throwing teenagers under the bus in interviews like crazy. -This is not something you see very much from a JR hockey coach and a good way to have lots of people turn on you.
A lot of the systems were shit too. He instilled a identity that had the team trying to thrive in chaos on the ice. -Apparently it was the same off the ice lol.
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BB had the respect of the players. You will all hear more about that as this debacle goes on.
 
Dog Fan said:
BB had the respect of the players. You will all hear more about that as this debacle goes on.
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I doubt it - He is done and will likely head back to ECHL where the standards are much lower.
As far as next steps all you are likely to see is the team get sold and a new GM.
 
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