Niagara Icedogs 2024-25 Season Thread, Part IV
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beastintheeast
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I am not sure that you can sue DD. The OHL made what seems to be a PC decision that they would not rock any boats, either that or they do not have anything substantial that they can make a move on him or anyone else.
Notice that Boudreau was fired by DD. There is no mention of what he did wrong or if he did anything wrong. This seems to be the league saying the soft shoe and ot really outlining the issue.
In the past, players had acted wrongly; then they were either reprimanded or suspended.
I also have a hard time believing that Boudreau considering his dad is involved to a point would do anything obviously wrong.
Until I see proof that there was in fact a huge issue that needed to be dealt with I am gong to hold my decsion but at this point I have a feeling the league is being a pansy Can not find anyone that will buy out DD and is doing this so that DD gets a good team he makes money but the league gets a GM tha tthey like on the team.
If I was the players, I would certainly be looking to get the hell out of Dodge and it has nothing to do with DD.
They finally get a good coach the plaeyrs buy into his system and the league decides to can the team, fire the coach and start all over.
Sorry I know everyone wants to blame DD but I am not sure it is allhis fault. The OHL has a lot of expalining to do.
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But again, what was the cause?
This cutural crap is exactly that.
The assitants were ot fired they just did not have their contracts renewed,
As to Boudreau they are going to have to outline publicly what he is accused of because if not and he gets black balled he will hae a right to sue.
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I think most of you are missing the big picture here. The OHL did an investigation and as a result sanctions were placed on DeDobbelaer - he can no longer be involved in running the team. He can't run the hockey operations side. He can't run the business side. In fact, he is being so far removed from the team that Wes will now be a liaison between DeDobbelaer and the club’s operational leadership, who is going to be appointed by the OHL.
Really, what more do you want? The owner, GM, and all the coaches have been removed. The OHL is now running the team? How is this not a good thing?
The league isn't going to come out and say they are forcing a sale. That would decrease the value of the team substantially. But do you honestly think DD will hold on to the team when he can't even make decisions about the team? The league is essentially forcing DD to sell the team.
Really, what more do you want? The owner, GM, and all the coaches have been removed. The OHL is now running the team? How is this not a good thing?
The league isn't going to come out and say they are forcing a sale. That would decrease the value of the team substantially. But do you honestly think DD will hold on to the team when he can't even make decisions about the team? The league is essentially forcing DD to sell the team.
Really, where do you see that. The league has stripped DD of the ability to run the team but you think they allowed him to fire the coaching staff. Its the league that put the sanction on DD, removed Wes as GM and fired the coaches.
I dont think people are missing the big picture I think they (myself included) don’t believe this actually does anything because Wes is still around and as we saw last year if DD wants to get his point across he’ll find a way even if he’s suspended
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Head coach Ben Boudreau has been fired. The contracts of assistant coaches Dan Paille and Marc Slawson will also not be renewed.
Niagara IceDogs clean house after OHL review
Boudreau's contract was with DD and the team. The OHL does not have the power to fire anyone. They can suspend or do what they want but they can not fire someone that is under contract to the owner.
I am sure the league suggested it, BUT they themselves can not fire anyone. Besides, depending on how they worded it, the league could then be on the hook for the remaining salary or buyout.
There have been many coaches that the league punished but I do not know of any in the CHL that the league fired, They can suspsend for long periods but can not fire.
Here is a tweet by Greg Cowan, who covers the Owen Sound Attack in the Owen Sound Sun Times.
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This tweet buries the lede by a lot. The @.Ohlhockey is essentially taking over the hockey operations and business of the Niagara IceDogs.
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This tweet buries the lede by a lot. The @.Ohlhockey is essentially taking over the hockey operations and business of the Niagara IceDogs.
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Its extremely obvious that the league ordered the coaches be fired. They took away DD's ability to run the team. What do you think happened. The league told DD he could no longer be involved in the operations of the team. DD then asked if he could run the team for just 5 minutes more, ran to the dressing room, fired the coaching staff and then said OK now you can take away my ability to run the team????Head coach Ben Boudreau has been fired. The contracts of assistant coaches Dan Paille and Marc Slawson will also not be renewed.
Niagara IceDogs clean house after OHL review
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Boudreau's contract was with DD and the team. The OHL does not have the power to fire anyone. They can suspend or do what they want but they can not fire someone that is under contract to the owner.
I am sure the league suggested it, BUT they themselves can not fire anyone. Besides, depending on how they worded it, the league could then be on the hook for the remaining salary or buyout.
There have been many coaches that the league punished but I do not know of any in the CHL that the league fired, They can suspsend for long periods but can not fire.
Many of you do not have a good grasp of what took place today. Greg Cowan is right. The league is now running the IceDogs. The league is making the decisions. This is the best possible scenario for the IceDogs.
DD was NEVER suspended from running the IceDogs. He was suspended from holding the title of GM. The intern GM still reported to the owner, who was DD. As owner, he could tell the GM to do whatever he wanted, just like any owner can tell their GM what to do.
When the Flint Firebirds owner was suspended, the press release said:
In view of these findings, in accordance with the OHL Constitution, I (Branch) have ordered that Rolf Nilsen be suspended by the OHL from being involved directly or indirectly with hockey operations of the Flint Firebirds for five (5) years effective immediately;
When DD got suspended, the press release said:
Effective immediately, Darren DeDobbelaer is suspended from acting as team General Manager for two seasons to June 1, 2025.
Darren was NEVER suspended from running the hockey operations or business operations of the IceDogs in his capacity as owner.
As for Wes, he is a liaison between DD and the new leadership. He is there to keep DD in the loop as DD still has a right to know what is going on since he is the one signing the cheques.
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I. have read the news release a few times. I know this may not be popular but consider this team has sucked when it comes to new owners.
There has been so much crap with this team that the other owners feel that the team needs a real GM I think we all agree consorti was GM INO.
DD doesn't know how to do it or how to get a good gm and let him run the team
New ownership is a crap shoot
So the league will find a good gm that can run the team and look after day to day operations
Because of that they had to clean house.
It's totally possible that boudreau gets rehired again new GM choice. The only real question is where they are going to find someone with the skills to do it.
Will DD learn
There has been so much crap with this team that the other owners feel that the team needs a real GM I think we all agree consorti was GM INO.
DD doesn't know how to do it or how to get a good gm and let him run the team
New ownership is a crap shoot
So the league will find a good gm that can run the team and look after day to day operations
Because of that they had to clean house.
It's totally possible that boudreau gets rehired again new GM choice. The only real question is where they are going to find someone with the skills to do it.
Will DD learn
if the league and the team have told him how he voided his contract, he could sue, he probably looses, and honestly, you or anyone not dont have any right to know, your not involved.
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I haven't seen any reports, have you? If so, please share. I am guessing BB and the ACs put the blame on DD for the culture issues. DD through WC fired them, refused to renew their contracts, out of spite, which was still within his power to do though it damages his team. I still maintain BB has a case against DD and the league for failing in their fiduciary role. I await the OHL's transparency, while Niagara fans suffer.
bb actively did things outside of dds influence to contribute.
the trainer leaving half way through a game is a good place to start looking. there are 4/5 others.
ill ask in response, id bb hands where clean, why would the league want him gone?
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We only have a release from the IceDogs in relation to BB. This makes me think the owner and his liaison still retain the power to high and fire until a GM is selected. Hiring and firing a HC is an owner's decision, not a "daily operation". I think BB told on DD and as an eff ewe, DD fired him without cause.
the league is running everything now. nothing can happen without their approval. they are for all purposes hiring the new gm and coach.
I generally enjoy your point of view regarding the Icedogs but not in this case. I just can’t follow the logic
As long as he gives the team the budget and as owner I can't see how he wouldn't, this is not good news.
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Somebody mentioned a good point. The league can't flat out announce they are forcing a sale because that can impact the sale price as the seller is a "distressed seller".
I just can't see DD keeping the team and not being involved. You buy something like this for a few reasons. You enjoy managing a hockey team, or you want to be a silent owner and you are in it for a passive stream of income as an investment. I doubt DD is the type of person to just sit back and wait for the yearly dividend. So a sale must be coming soon.
I just can't see DD keeping the team and not being involved. You buy something like this for a few reasons. You enjoy managing a hockey team, or you want to be a silent owner and you are in it for a passive stream of income as an investment. I doubt DD is the type of person to just sit back and wait for the yearly dividend. So a sale must be coming soon.
Just to add as someone who has hired and fired many folks across many years you can fire anyone you wish at anytime you like without cause. Yes you can fire someone simply because you do not like the way they dress? Most employment lawyers will tell you however unless you have proof of someone stealing from you never fire with cause. An employer does however have to provide appropriate compensation as outlined in ESA. Also “common law” does apply here. Contracts are a whole separate issue but I’m sure they would have a dismissal clause stating what is owed to an employee if they are cut loose! Cheers 
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Correct Buttsy. All they would offer BB is enough money to get thru the next few to several months. In theory enough so that he can take his time to find new employment. We won't be getting 3 years salary, that is for sure.
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