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canuck2010

canuck2010

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Something that has been sticking in my craw for the last 5 or 6 years is the unfair advantage the NHL is providing the United States in international hockey. It was bad enough as a Canadian to see many sons of Canadian players playing for the Stars and Stripes but now we are seeing history repeating itself with the offspring of Euro players. A quick look at the present roster of the USA youth Olympic team (2000 birthdate) shows at least 5 players who fathers earn or are earning their living at the NHL level. This type of roster has become quite typical. Before people go crazy, yes Canada has taken advantage of this as well. Case in point is Darnell Nurse whose father came to Canada to play professional football however the ice is certainly tilted in the USA's favour as 23 out of the 30 teams are in the USA.

Anybody care to discuss.
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canuck2010 said:
Something that has been sticking in my craw for the last 5 or 6 years is the unfair advantage the NHL is providing the United States in international hockey. It was bad enough as a Canadian to see many sons of Canadian players playing for the Stars and Stripes but now we are seeing history repeating itself with the offspring of Euro players. A quick look at the present roster of the USA youth Olympic team (2000 birthdate) shows at least 5 players who fathers earn or are earning their living at the NHL level. This type of roster has become quite typical. Before people go crazy, yes Canada has taken advantage of this as well. Case in point is Darnell Nurse whose father came to Canada to play professional football however the ice is certainly tilted in the USA's favour as 23 out of the 30 teams are in the USA.

Anybody care to discuss.
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Is this thread for real?

The only advantage we have over anyone right now is having Dean Lombardi as our GM.
 
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So the NHL should disband? The NHL is an American Venture. Why would they not have the majority of the teams? It's an American product.

As for the kids playing...why is thT a problem? The kids live in the USA, their dad's work in the Usa. Are their moms american? Why is it a problem?
 
So it will ruin international hockey because the sons of NHL players may play for different countries? This is absurd.

You could make a valid argument that the NHL is hurting international hockey on other grounds, such as possibly pulling out of the Olympics and creating its own sham World Cup tournament.
 
Yeah the NHL (or simply the existence of a league that employs the vast majority of the world's best players) is bad for international hockey... because they'll look after their own interest first and have so much leverage that there's little incentive for them to make compromises. That's how the market works.

Sons of canadian players suiting up for the US is not even in the top 100 problems of international hockey. I'd have to be convinced that it's a problem at all.

Joke thread.
 
The NHL is certainly working hard on ruining the international aspect of the game but the sons of former Canadian NHL'ers choosing to represent the US internationally is the smallest issue here.
 
It does not ruin international hockey at all, the fact that it strengthens U.S hockey actually enhances the international game by making them that much stronger then they normally would be by not getting those kids of players.

On the other hand I will say it does sadden me that so many of our Canadian players seem to take their upbringing here and what it gave them for granted and do not possess the valued virtue of loyalty.

Lot's of American players play in Canada but they always go back to live in the United States, very few of our players do the reverse.

It's quite embarrassing as a Canadian fan that so many are willing to switch their souls for better weather and a skirt.
 
maxmn said:
So the NHL should disband? The NHL is an American Venture. Why would they not have the majority of the teams? It's an American product.

As for the kids playing...why is thT a problem? The kids live in the USA, their dad's work in the Usa. Are their moms american? Why is it a problem?
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The NHL is an American venture, an American product that's rich. I realize that the article that I provide the link to is not overly current but I believe it is still fairly accurate.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/canadian-nhl-clubs-sacrificing-revenue/article4525341/

For the most part Dads have no choice but to play in the USA if they want to play in the NHL. Salary cap issues, roster numbers etc. etc.

The problem is that one day very soon is that there will be very little competition left at the international level.
 
Chileiceman said:
So it will ruin international hockey because the sons of NHL players may play for different countries? This is absurd.

You could make a valid argument that the NHL is hurting international hockey on other grounds, such as possibly pulling out of the Olympics and creating its own sham World Cup tournament.
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I'll be happy to make that argument as well. I agree with you. It's no longer about sport or hockey it's only about money.
 
Urbanskog said:
The NHL is certainly working hard on ruining the international aspect of the game but the sons of former Canadian NHL'ers choosing to represent the US internationally is the smallest issue here.
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I agree with the first part of your statement however it will be a issue for you some day soon as well.
 
canuck2010 said:
Something that has been sticking in my craw for the last 5 or 6 years is the unfair advantage the NHL is providing the United States in international hockey. It was bad enough as a Canadian to see many sons of Canadian players playing for the Stars and Stripes but now we are seeing history repeating itself with the offspring of Euro players. A quick look at the present roster of the USA youth Olympic team (2000 birthdate) shows at least 5 players who fathers earn or are earning their living at the NHL level. This type of roster has become quite typical. Before people go crazy, yes Canada has taken advantage of this as well. Case in point is Darnell Nurse whose father came to Canada to play professional football however the ice is certainly tilted in the USA's favour as 23 out of the 30 teams are in the USA.

Anybody care to discuss.
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Darnell Nurses father is not American. Rick Nurse was born in Trinidad and Tobago and raised in Canada.

His fathers sister, Raquel, is married to American football player Donovan McNabb. Darnells Uncle by marriage.
 
eyetest is useless said:
Yeah the NHL (or simply the existence of a league that employs the vast majority of the world's best players) is bad for international hockey... because they'll look after their own interest first and have so much leverage that there's little incentive for them to make compromises. That's how the market works.

Sons of canadian players suiting up for the US is not even in the top 100 problems of international hockey. I'd have to be convinced that it's a problem at all.

Joke thread.
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The NHL is sucking the lifeblood out of the game of hockey worldwide not making it stronger. There will be very little competitive balance left in the game in 10 to 15 years at the rate we're going.

The NHL provides a very effective incentive for immigration that's for sure.
 
2525 said:
Darnell Nurses father is not American. Rick Nurse was born in Trinidad and Tobago and raised in Canada.

His fathers sister, Raquel, is married to American football player Donovan McNabb. Darnells Uncle by marriage.
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You are quite right and I'm quite wrong. Thanks for pointing it out.
 
Who exactly are all these sons of Canadians playing for the USA and what the **** is the youth olympics anyway? If you look at the most recent team USA at the WJC the only guy I can think of is Ryan MacInnis.

At the NHL level you have Zach Parise and Nick Foligno who's brother Marcus actually played for Canada, guess it kinda evens out there with Mike's boys. :laugh: I'm sure there are few other guys but no big names.

Parise's father played the majority of his career in the US and retired after the 78-79 season and stayed in the US to raise his family there after his playing days, so any claims to Zach that Canadians can make are tenuous at best.
 
You have to ask yourself why Canadian players don't return home after their careers are over.
The majority stay in the US. However Finnish, Swedish, Russian etc players usually return home.
Can't be the weather, can't be taxes.

How many stars have played out their contracts to sign with their boyhood teams? I can think of only two. Ryan Suter and Zach Parise who ironically is a dual citizen by virtue of his dad being Canadian and even Americanized the pronunciation of his last name.

I can remember American Erik Johnson after the 2007 World Juniors saying he was going to put in his NHL contract with the team drafting him that he be released to play in the 2008 tournament. It didn't happen, probably because his agent said...not a good idea.

When the Bruins were debating on letting Canadian Tyler Seguin go to the 2011 World Juniors he was quoted as saying "I'll be disappointed, it was always my dream to play in the NHL"

When Carolina was debating whether to allow American Justin Faulk to play at the World Juniors he said "It would be an honour to play for my country"

Five of the all time greats in the game, Gretzky, Howe, Orr, Lemieux, Hull all Canadian born are now US citizens.

The problem isn't the NHL, it's Canadian players.
 
canuck2010 said:
The NHL is sucking the lifeblood out of the game of hockey worldwide not making it stronger. There will be very little competitive balance left in the game in 10 to 15 years at the rate we're going.

The NHL provides a very effective incentive for immigration that's for sure.
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you're saying that international tournaments get destroyed because the US are getting players from canadian-born parents and the NHL contributes to this. Is that a fair representation of your point?
 
Human Bean said:
Who exactly are all these sons of Canadians playing for the USA and what the **** is the youth olympics anyway?
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The sons of Brian Savage, Michal Pivonka, Ulf Samuelsson, Kjell Samuelsson. So only one Canadian. But the son of Peter De Boer is on the U.S. team. Which, along with Andy Murray and Kevin Lowe, raises the question of Hockey Canada's coaches and managements' loyalty to their own program.
 
Not a chance. Rene Fasel or any leader will never let an American league ruin the International side of this Global sport, the International game is thriving, it's never been as popular in history. The nhl game is dying, even Canadians are watching less, caring less, no one in the rest of the World cares a flying hoot about the league, so let the nhl continue to do what it does best, try to grow the game in the only country it cares about.

The IIHF takes care of the World of Hockey, and it's progess is showing as the game is expanding to countries unheard of, and every single day the game grows to new heights, and now soon a new era of Asian Hockey will emerge this upcoming decade, exciting times ahead for World Hockey, while the nhl keeps raking in the doe and doing nothing to help the Global aspect of th game whilst growing the game in American markets like Las Vegas. Wish they'd work with the players who in the summer's do so much to help the game grow even outside of North America.

And for the kids, who cares, more often then not the kids don't develop into bonafide superstars. Canada has the best grassroots programs in the World, super star talent will always emerge from anywhere in Canada. There will be plenty Mackinnon,Bennet's,McDavid's coming up, you don't need to be the son of an nhl player.
 
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If Gretzky's son represented USA if he was good enough to play hockey, I can't help but think that Canada would be going crazy. The same thing is happening except with less popular players. Al MacInnis was a big name so it will be interesting to see if Ryan MacInnis creates some talk about this topic if he can reach a USA roster at the Olympics. I wonder then if it will create some talk in Canada.
 
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