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SherVaughn30

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Andersen is hurting the Canes. Both goals were preventable. The 1st one off the top of his pad and the 2nd one he didn't stop the dump around of the puck, which would have killed the Rangers forecheck and momentum scoring that 2nd goal. My feeling is the Rangers could come from behind and win this 4-3, sweeping the series.

Canes for next season need to move on from Andersen/Raanta(both injury prone goalies) and bring in a #1 goalie who has stability.
 

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Ain't going to meme your way put of this one canes

Also for the first time seeing why laff was a 1st overall pick
 
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Andersen is hurting the Canes. Both goals were preventable. The 1st one off the top of his pad and the 2nd one he didn't stop the dump around of the puck, which would have killed the Rangers forecheck and momentum scoring that 2nd goal. My feeling is the Rangers could come from behind and win this 4-3, sweeping the series.

Canes for next season need to move on from Andersen/Raanta(both injury prone goalies) and bring in a #1 goalie who has stability.
Anderson still has a year on his deal with a modified NMC. The Canes have a lot of roster decisions to make in the offseason. They are pretty tight against the cap with some pretty significant players to re-sign.
 

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Anderson still has a year on his deal with a modified NMC. The Canes have a lot of roster decisions to make in the offseason. They are pretty tight against the cap with some pretty significant players to re-sign.
Andersen still can be traded to 16 teams as there are only 15 teams on his modified NTC list. His cap hit of $3.4 million is very affordable to other teams needing a goalie. Canes have a good younger goalie in Kochetkov, but they need to bring in another goalie with playoff experience. Andersen has been shaky in the playoffs. Also they have too many d-man under contract or becoming FA. I don't think they can afford to re-sign Guentzel. Burns is gonna be age 40 and making $5 million+ with 1 year remaining. I think you trade him in a PACKAGE DEAL for the vet goalie they need.
 

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Andersen still can be traded to 16 teams as there are only 15 teams on his modified NTC list. His cap hit of $3.4 million is very affordable to other teams needing a goalie. Canes have a good younger goalie in Kochetkov, but they need to bring in another goalie with playoff experience. Andersen has been shaky in the playoffs. Also they have too many d-man under contract or becoming FA. I don't think they can afford to re-sign Guentzel. Burns is gonna be age 40 and making $5 million+ with 1 year remaining. I think you trade him in a PACKAGE DEAL for the vet goalie they need.
Gotta be separate deals. Teams in "finishing touches" mode who'd be interested in a 40 year old powerplay specialist don't general have spare veteran goalies with playoff experience laying around. Only one I can think of is Ullmark in Boston, but Boston's set down the right side with McAvoy, Carlo, and Peeke and has much bigger needs elsewhere.

Side note - MacLellan should send a big offer sheet to Seth Jarvis this summer. Carolina has a ton of key players who'll need new contracts this summer (Necas and Jarvis RFA, Guentzel, Terravainen, Pesce, and Skjei UFA) without any bad contracts ending to open up room. They desperately need to sign Jarvis to a cheap bridge deal, so even if Carolina matches, it'll gut their ability to re-sign or replace those key UFAs. An offer sheet with an AAV of 8.5M would only cost the Caps next year's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd if it goes through, and would be catastrophic to the Canes if they match.
 

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Gotta be separate deals. Teams in "finishing touches" mode who'd be interested in a 40 year old powerplay specialist don't general have spare veteran goalies with playoff experience laying around. Only one I can think of is Ullmark in Boston, but Boston's set down the right side with McAvoy, Carlo, and Peeke and has much bigger needs elsewhere.

Side note - MacLellan should send a big offer sheet to Seth Jarvis this summer. Carolina has a ton of key players who'll need new contracts this summer (Necas and Jarvis RFA, Guentzel, Terravainen, Pesce, and Skjei UFA) without any bad contracts ending to open up room. They desperately need to sign Jarvis to a cheap bridge deal, so even if Carolina matches, it'll gut their ability to re-sign or replace those key UFAs. An offer sheet with an AAV of 8.5M would only cost the Caps next year's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd if it goes through, and would be catastrophic to the Canes if they match.
That’s some great 4D chess, lol. I like Necas as a target. He’s 25, and for a guy his size, is a tremendous skater. He should continue as a 20+ goal guy. Had 71 pts last year (53 this year). He did that being stuck with Kotkaniemi, or an ancient J. Staal as his centers. Not sure if we need a righty tho (on the PP, or with Oshie’s uncertainty, and Lenny coming soon).

Jarvis, I don’t trust this one 30g year (he had an unsustainable shooting %). Gonna be some tough choices in CAR this offseason, would be nice to take advantage of their cap crunch. We could sign a guy like Skjei as a true #2 to help the load on Carlson; push Sandin to 3LD.
 
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That’s some great 4D chess, lol. I like Necas as a target. He’s 25, and for a guy his size, is a tremendous skater. He should continue as a 20+ goal guy. Had 71 pts last year (53 this year). He did that being stuck with Kotkaniemi, or an ancient J. Staal as his centers. Not sure if we need a righty tho (on the PP, or with Oshie’s uncertainty, and Lenny coming soon).

Jarvis, I don’t trust this one 30g year (he had an unsustainable shooting %). Gonna be some tough choices in CAR this offseason, would be nice to take advantage of their cap crunch. We could sign a guy like Skjei as a true #2 to help the load on Carlson; push Sandin to 3LD.
Yeah, Jarvis played with Aho in the regular season and his 18.8 shooting percentage was a bit high, but keep in mind he's a full three years younger than Necas. The fact that they trusted Jarvis in his age 21 season to ride shotgun with Aho, play 3 minutes a night on the powerplay, and play 2 minutes a night on the penalty kill (Necas doesn't PK) is really impressive. (Side note - Necas has been stapled to Kotkaniemi which definitely holds him back, but while he's with that anchor over the last three years he gets more than 2/3 offensive zone starts and the primary third wheel on that line has been Svechnikov, so it's not like he's had nothing to work with. Also, weird fact I discovered while looking that up, every player with at least 350 minutes with Necas at 5 on 5 over the last three years has a significantly better xGF% away from Necas than with him. I did not expect that at all and I don't know how to explain it.) Jarvis has also outscored Necas on all three playoff runs he's been on despite the age difference. And at least for this year's run you can't really blame their teammates, because Jarvis has been on the shutdown line with Staal and Terravainen/Martinook and still has 4-4-8 in 9 games.

Anyway, I didn't mean to rip on Necas while talking up Jarvis because I'd be happy to end up with him too and the great part is he can factor into the strategy here. In 2010 when the Blackhawks were in a cap crunch the Sharks offer sheeted Niklas Hjalmarsson, which the Blackhawks matched, but in doing so they put themselves in a position where they had no choice but to go to arbitration with Annti Niemi and then walk away from the award. Then the Sharks swooped in and signed Niemi. The Caps can do that here by giving Jarvis a big offer sheet, and if the Canes match it there's a decent chance they'd have to walk away from an arbitration award for Necas, at which point the Caps could sign him for free!
 
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Yeah, Jarvis played with Aho in the regular season and his 18.8 shooting percentage was a bit high, but keep in mind he's a full three years younger than Necas. The fact that they trusted Jarvis in his age 21 season to ride shotgun with Aho, play 3 minutes a night on the powerplay, and play 2 minutes a night on the penalty kill (Necas doesn't PK) is really impressive. (Side note - Necas has been stapled to Kotkaniemi which definitely holds him back, but while he's with that anchor over the last three years he gets more than 2/3 offensive zone starts and the primary third wheel on that line has been Svechnikov, so it's not like he's had nothing to work with. Also, weird fact I discovered while looking that up, every player with at least 350 minutes with Necas at 5 on 5 over the last three years has a significantly better xGF% away from Necas than with him. I did not expect that at all and I don't know how to explain it.) Jarvis has also outscored Necas on all three playoff runs he's been on despite the age difference. And at least for this year's run you can't really blame their teammates, because Jarvis has been on the shutdown line with Staal and Terravainen/Martinook and still has 4-4-8 in 9 games.

Anyway, I didn't mean to rip on Necas while talking up Jarvis because I'd be happy to end up with him too and the great part is he can factor into the strategy here. In 2010 when the Blackhawks were in a cap crunch the Sharks offer sheeted Niklas Hjalmarsson, which the Blackhawks matched, but in doing so they put themselves in a position where they had no choice but to go to arbitration with Annti Niemi and then walk away from the award. Then the Sharks swooped in and signed Niemi. The Caps can do that here by giving Jarvis a big offer sheet, and if the Canes match it there's a decent chance they'd have to walk away from an arbitration award for Necas, at which point the Caps could sign him for free!
Interesting points here to consider. And strange that Necas appears not to drive play on this line regardless of who paired with.

I still prefer Necas for these reasons. First, he is 6’2 190 lbs. And that has shown to me in the games i have watched. having big bodies for playoffs is critical versus Jarvis 5’10 175 frame. Secondly, at 25, he has 362 games plus 57 playoff games which fits right into our rebuild model as a 7 year deal takes him through his prime years of 25 to 32.

After reading other posts Jarvis may be the one to target with RFA offer sheet because if canes match it they probably can’t sign Necas because he already has a $3M cap so it will go up. So this path means you have a shot at both. Regardless, I do think the RFA route should be under consideration. Or threaten to do it and force a trade of rights (with confidence we can sign either to a long term deal.
 
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One thing to consider is that if Mac and his team are actually good at their jobs and are systematically executing a plan, then they presumably aren't getting surprised by who is UFA/RFA/tradeable. That means they are also looking a year or two beyond this offseason to who will be coming available next year and in '26. So while I expect them to make moves this year, it's also true that if they are targeting someone in the '25 RFA class who they think could be a key player for instance, they may not spend the big assets this year. This is a process and they're not gonna spend big money/assets on just whoever is available. They are building patiently and that means waiting to spend on the right pieces.
 

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One thing to consider is that if Mac and his team are actually good at their jobs and are systematically executing a plan, then they presumably aren't getting surprised by who is UFA/RFA/tradeable. That means they are also looking a year or two beyond this offseason to who will be coming available next year and in '26. So while I expect them to make moves this year, it's also true that if they are targeting someone in the '25 RFA class who they think could be a key player for instance, they may not spend the big assets this year. This is a process and they're not gonna spend big money/assets on just whoever is available. They are building patiently and that means waiting to spend on the right pieces.

Absolutely. This is exactly the mindset I think/hope GMBM and staff have.

Additional benefits from keeping the big $ long term FA powder dry one more year is it allows the utes to have a chance to develop synergies and elevate each other. Reports on here are stating Miroshnichenko is really shining in Hershey. If he and Lappy come back elevated from this playoff run we might all be very pleasantly surprised. Even more so if Leonard jumps up.

Then you can make better FA decisions the following summer - both from a need to fill any gaps or complementary viewpoint.

Also might mean whoever we might sign a long term FA deal with next year is a year closer in age to the New Young Core (good name for a band?).
 
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Also open to considering a Offer Sheet with caveats - the main one being GMBM might absolutely refuse to consider it if there is GMs a Code they want to go by.

If indeed it turns out we have a better yoing core than expected the need for 2025 or 2026 pick may be diminished.

Same applies to using them in a hockey trade for quality RFA-age talent. Opportunity may exist for that now with a mix of DK / Jensen / Dowd + 2025 or 2026 picks. May be a path for adding some young D talant...
 

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Its also very possible our goal differential comes back to planet earth and we are a lottery team again. I tend to agree with the view not just to spend because we have cap space. If we do I would be looking at 1 year deals we can easily move at the deadline if we are out of the race.
DO NOT give 1 year deals with a NTC ever again like patches. Man that turned out to be awful
 

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I think there are three big things between now and draft that will influence what happens:

1. Leonard decision - this has been made so we have to assume he is going back to BC
2. Oshie decision to LTIR or not
3. If org decides to start Miro in WAS.

And then of course what happens in playoffs. For example, Toronto is going to make some changes after getting bounced quick. I think Canes will look hard as well.

But as @Calicaps mentioned I am sure GM and his team including scouts is having conversations and looking all over.

Difference here is that GMBM has a pimp hand this Year and he hasn’t forever. He has young cheap assets, has tradeable assets (prospects and vets), a deep goalie pipeline, and most importantly cap space. So he should be having much more aggressive GSD conversations versus just exploratory.

The goal should remain the same. Get younger. Get faster. Try to be cup competitive next two OV years. Should be fun!
 

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I think eventually someone will decide it's against the spirit of the game (like kicking the puck in vs redirecting it) and make it illegal, maybe by saying the puck can't be flat on your stick for X amount of time when the stick is off the ice, similar to the way you have basically a judgment call for closing the hand on the puck etc.
 
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There seriously needs to be a rule look into. I don’t think they attended hockey player skating around like lacrosse players dribbling the puck.

Personally, when I was playing, if anyone tried the Michigan I would be trying to snap their stick in half.
 

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Ok Refs when does the Michigan become high sticking? He looked over the crossbar with the puck before he scored.

I was thinking the same thing!

There seriously needs to be a rule look into. I don’t think they attended hockey player skating around like lacrosse players dribbling the puck.

Personally, when I was playing, if anyone tried the Michigan I would be trying to snap their stick in half.
Or you clock 'em! Players don't pay the price anymore for showboating.
 

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