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The NBA is turning into a joke. I could see the league having big problems in the near future filling arena.
 
KreiMeARiver said:
Probably because the NBA is a joke filled with jokers. It's just not a good product because these idiots don't play good fundamental basketball.

I personally couldn't care less about the NBA.

The only negative is that now Bettman will probably lockout the players at the end of each term cuz he knows the fans will come back in droves.
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Is there any doubt that lockout is the League's only opening offer?
 
Question for the NHL is, how to get more skill mixed in throughout the league?

USofHockey made a great point about US development‘s emphasis on systems over skill at too early an age. Thats why Eichel is an exception and not more typical. It would sure help the product if USA had more of an Euro mindset when kids are younger.
 
Blurt Vision said:
Question for the NHL is, how to get more skill mixed in throughout the league?

USofHockey made a great point about US development‘s emphasis on systems over skill at too early an age. Thats why Eichel is an exception and not more typical. It would sure help the product if USA had more of an Euro mindset when kids are younger.
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The vast majority of athletes in the states don't play hockey. That is the bigger issue. Getting kids with tremendous athletic talent to pick up hockey vs. baseball, football and basketball is an uphill battle here. That is why you see places like Minnesota, Mass and NY being the prime places US NHLers come from. Hockey has some roots in those states. They need to get Texas, NJ, CA and Florida (the biggest football recruiting states etc) on board. The game just isn't that popular. Dads in the US relate to taking their son to baseball practice or football practice because that is what they played when they were kids. Add to this the growing popularity of having your kid play soccer because it is "safer" doesn't bode well for contact sports in general and Hockey specifically
 
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I really can't find it in me to consistently support the NBA, it's just such a pile of garbage.

I do enjoy watching it though.
 
Don't forget hockey is very expensive to play. Especially at a high level.
 
Only reason I really got into watching last year was bc of the NHL lockout and I continued to watch bc they were playing well. I believe I watched about 15 NBA games total this year just bc I am a fan of the sport itself
 
I'd pay a bit more attention to the NBA if the Knicks weren't trash. Even if they were good, though, I still barely care. I'd rather watch college basketball.
 
Attendance has really never been the issue in terms of NBA vs NHL. The real disparity in the NBA's favor is in the tv ratings and merchandise sales.
 
Chris Peters:

One thing I remember Ray Ferraro saying during a Canadian broadcast this year is that the nice thing about the Euro teams at the WJC is that the players haven’t had the creativity coached out of them yet by NHL coaches. I loved that line so much, but I think it extends beyond the NHL and into the developmental hockey ranks in North America.

We’re not letting our players in North America have enough leeway to be creative.

It’s all about systems and winning instead of fun and development. That’s a real gap between the two sides of the hockey world. There’s a lot that can be learned from the way Sweden and Finland develop their players.

For instance, a total 64,000 people play hockey in Sweden and 66,000 play in Finland. Among those two countries, Sweden has 47,000 youth hockey players, while Finland has 37,000. The United States has 510,000 players, while Canada has more than 600,000 players. How is it that two countries with about 10 percent of the players of either the U.S. or Canada, has so many high-end skill players? They’re doing something right.

It’s not just the World Juniors. Look at the NHL, too. They’re producing as many guys with Stamkos-level skill as Canada with a fraction of the numbers. There are skill players in the U.S. and Canada, but there should be more.

One of these days, our youth hockey culture will remember that fun goes a long way to making better hockey players as opposed to winning what amounts to meaningless games.

http://unitedstatesofhockey.com/201...onship-rewind-assessing-team-usas-tournament/
 
Blurt Vision said:
Chris Peters:

One thing I remember Ray Ferraro saying during a Canadian broadcast this year is that the nice thing about the Euro teams at the WJC is that the players haven’t had the creativity coached out of them yet by NHL coaches. I loved that line so much, but I think it extends beyond the NHL and into the developmental hockey ranks in North America.

We’re not letting our players in North America have enough leeway to be creative.

It’s all about systems and winning instead of fun and development. That’s a real gap between the two sides of the hockey world. There’s a lot that can be learned from the way Sweden and Finland develop their players.

For instance, a total 64,000 people play hockey in Sweden and 66,000 play in Finland. Among those two countries, Sweden has 47,000 youth hockey players, while Finland has 37,000. The United States has 510,000 players, while Canada has more than 600,000 players. How is it that two countries with about 10 percent of the players of either the U.S. or Canada, has so many high-end skill players? They’re doing something right.

It’s not just the World Juniors. Look at the NHL, too. They’re producing as many guys with Stamkos-level skill as Canada with a fraction of the numbers. There are skill players in the U.S. and Canada, but there should be more.

One of these days, our youth hockey culture will remember that fun goes a long way to making better hockey players as opposed to winning what amounts to meaningless games.

http://unitedstatesofhockey.com/201...onship-rewind-assessing-team-usas-tournament/
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Absolutely love that quote / article.

It's quite simple.
1. A win occurs when goals for exceeds goals against
2. The likelihood of a win is highest when GF is maximized and GA is minimized
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3. One can minimize GA with solid goaltending, and intelligent positioning and stick-work
4. Creativity and vision are two mental ways to counter GA minimization (and thus maximize GF)
5. Good puck-handling, shooting and skating are key to realizing creativity
6. Defenders must adjust to match the physical and mental skills of their opponents
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7. Positive feedback loop from (3) to (6) emerges
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8. Physical play is secondary but certainly not absent


Note: I'm not going to bother arguing against counterexamples.
 
Kane One said:
I'm honestly not sure what I'm looking at there, but the Tampa Bay vs Flyers .gif is a comparable to that.
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Megustaelhockey said:
It's travelling not being called.
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Well said... A NBA game would be eight hours long if I were a NBA zebra. I stopped watching when the things I got whistled for in junior high were being done by pros on a daily basis....

College hoops soon followed. Too much show-boating.

Cheers!
-Doug
 
There is no bigger hockey fan that me - Ranger season tickets for seven years, until I moved to where the train commute became too difficult, and I watch so many games on NHL Center Ice (anybody else catch the Avs late tying goal and OT game winner live last night?).

That said I also love the NBA...not the Knicks so much because I hate Dolan, but I do love the NBA. All the criticisms you guys are making about the NBA can also be made about every other sport.

Yes, NBA refs will miss the occasional traveling call, but NFL refs ignore holding calls on most every play...if they didn't, almost every play would have a flag attached to it. That would be fun. MLB strike zones are supposed to go up to the letters, but for many umps nothing over the belt is a strike.

And don't even get me started on NHL refs! I'm still convinced the Flyers were awarded that penalty shot at the end of the Winter Classic against us just so the biggest NHL game of the year would go to OT. That's a lot worse than letting a guy switch his pivot foot.
 
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