News Article: NHL Revenue to hit 3.7 billion;CAP likely to exceed 70 M

[deeshamrock]

This article from a couple days ago goes into some detail with projections based on this years revenue, which won't be final until the playoffs are over or tomorrow morning (right? LOL)

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on...it-37-billion-cap-likely-to-exceed-70-million

There is a graph in the center of the article that lists the CAP based on revenue
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There is also this:

Chris Botta @ChrisBottaNHL
Follow Source: NHL natl revenue approx. $3.7 billion this season. With new CAN TV deal, will be well over $4B next season. More in SBJ.

Based on the chart , that would make next year 70.6 to 71 million without the final totals yet
Bob McKenzie said that the CAP in the following year is expected to go up about 10% , which would be in line with what Botta's suggests. That would put the 2015/16 CAP at 76 to 77 M.
But again, he's projecting, it still comes down to revenue, but this year's did exceed what Bettman's projected, so next year's could as well.

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[Captain Mittens*]

I was hoping for a 72 mil cap. I am going to have to buy myself out.

 

[etherialone]

Thanks for posting that Dee.

Like I said the day before yesterday, there has been allot of talk about the cap # being closer to $72m next season. It's all speculation and rumor/talk but it hasn't been written in stone just yet is the point that should be taken away from the conversation.

 

[deeshamrock]

I was hoping for a 72 mil cap. I am going to have to buy myself out.

If it goes to 72.5, I'll buy you out...I'll even throw in Matt Frattin since he's out of a job


And if it does go to 72 (and some other NHL stat gnats are suggesting it could) that means a lot of teams, like the Sabres , Flames and Panthers would have ALOT of money to spend to hit the Cap floor
Which means there will be quite a few players being overpaid...

 

[Herby]

If it goes to 72.5, I'll buy you out...I'll even through in Matt Frattin since he's out of a job


And if it does go to 72 (and some other NHL stat gnats are suggesting it could) that means a lot of teams, like the Sabres , Flames and Panthers would have ALOT of money to spend to hit the Cap floor
Which means there will be quite a few players being overpaid...

And the ugly cycle begins again. The floor is rising at insane levels again, much like the last CBA.

As for the Kings, this comes as good and bad news. The good news is the players signed to longer contracts with smaller hits are better values as the cap rises.

The bad news is, the Kings have a ton of RFA's and UFA's to sign in the next couple of years, and as the cap goes up so goes the market value for anyone seeking a new contract.

Kopitar will be a 9+ player if he goes for market value, Getzlaf and Perry got $8.2, I don't think either is as good or accomplished and they signed when the cap was significantly less than it will be in 2016 when Kopi hits UFA.

 

[etherialone]

And the ugly cycle begins again. The floor is rising at insane levels again, much like the last CBA.

As for the Kings, this comes as good and bad news. The good news is the players signed to longer contracts with smaller hits are better values as the cap rises.

The bad news is, the Kings have a ton of RFA's and UFA's to sign in the next couple of years, and as the cap goes up so goes the market value for anyone seeking a new contract.

Kopitar will be a 9+ player if he goes for market value, Getzlaf and Perry got $8.2, I don't think either is as good or accomplished and they signed when the cap was significantly less than it will be in 2016 when Kopi hits UFA.

This is an interesting and fair point to consider.

 

[Herby]

The strength of the Canadian dollar will still have a big effect here. I don't know the exact number it has fallen, but the loonie has fallen since the TV deal with Rogers was signed. Obviously the deal is still massive and huge, but it's not as big in terms of US dollars as it was when the deal was signed.

 

[tsanuri]

And the ugly cycle begins again. The floor is rising at insane levels again, much like the last CBA.

As for the Kings, this comes as good and bad news. The good news is the players signed to longer contracts with smaller hits are better values as the cap rises.

The bad news is, the Kings have a ton of RFA's and UFA's to sign in the next couple of years, and as the cap goes up so goes the market value for anyone seeking a new contract.

Kopitar will be a 9+ player if he goes for market value, Getzlaf and Perry got $8.2, I don't think either is as good or accomplished and they signed when the cap was significantly less than it will be in 2016 when Kopi hits UFA.

No they fixed that in this one. It is now 15% below the midpoint not to exceed 14M. and remember the cap is 15% above the midpoint.
So say the cap does go to 77M after next year. And depending on who you are reading or listening to it very well could. The floor would still be right around 57.2M.

 

[Mike Carr]

seems weird that nobody knows the cap for next year - GM's would want to be organized and have a long term plan when it comes to signing players etc
seems ludicrous that the cap is not known

 

[HYORI 1963]

The bad news is, the Kings have a ton of RFA's and UFA's to sign in the next couple of years, and as the cap goes up so goes the market value for anyone seeking a new contract.

Are you saying the other teams don't?

Kopitar will be a 9+ player if he goes for market value, Getzlaf and Perry got $8.2, I don't think either is as good or accomplished and they signed when the cap was significantly less than it will be in 2016 when Kopi hits UFA.

No he won't. I'd be surprised it it goes over 8M. You got guys like Brown, Carter, Richards and Quick all making something in the 5M range. You're nuts, if you think DL is going to pay Kopi anything close to 9M, nor will Kopi be seeking such a salary.

 

[Herby]

Are you saying the other teams don't?



No he won't. I'd be surprised it it goes over 8M. You got guys like Brown, Carter, Richards and Quick all making something in the 5M range. You're nuts, if you think DL is going to pay Kopi anything close to 9M, nor will Kopi be seeking such a salary.

You are comparing contracts signed 3,4 and 6 years before as RFA's to what Kopitar is going to be worth in 2016 as an UFA.

You do understand guys like Richards and Carter signed in the previous decade, under the old CBA when the cap was significantly smaller?


Kopitar's value will be set with what Toews signs for in 2015, not what Mike Richards and Jeff Carter got years before.

 

[HYORI 1963]

You are comparing contracts signed 3,4 and 6 years before as RFA's to what Kopitar is going to be worth in 2016 as an UFA.

You do understand guys like Richards and Carter signed in the previous decade, under the old CBA when the cap was significantly smaller?


Kopitar's value will be set with what Toews signs for in 2015, not what Mike Richards and Jeff Carter got years before.

It doesn't matter when the other contracts were signed. Clearly, you don't understand the concept of building a "winning culture". Kopi will sign a contract somewhere in the 7M+ range and Doughty will follow suit. That's what the winning culture is all about.

 

[Herby]

It doesn't matter when the other contracts were signed. Clearly, you don't understand the concept of building a "winning culture". Kopi will sign a contract somewhere in the 7M+ range and Doughty will follow suit. That's what the winning culture is all about.

It doesn't matter when the contracts were signed? So you think a $6 mill a year contract in a $60 million cap league is the same as a $6 million contract in an $80 million league, is that what you are arguing?

If the best players are paid a certain percentage of your cap (which is being talked about here in Chicago) you think what the cap is set at is really irrelevant?

Since Kopitar signed his 6.8 million a year contract as a 22 year old he has likely won 2 SC's and established himself as one of the best players in the world and you think he will sign for a 10% raise?

LOL, ok. Well I normally enjoy arguing with you but you have nothing to stand on here except to say that the entire team is going to take massive 20+% discounts to stay with the team, when that rarely happens in sports.

 

[HYORI 1963]

It doesn't matter when the contracts were signed? Are you insane?

If the best players are paid a certain percentage of your cap (which is being talked about here in Chicago) you think what the cap is set at is really irrelevant?

Since Kopitar signed his 6.8 million a year contract as a 22 year old he has likely won 2 SC's and established himself as one of the best players in the world and you think he will sign for a 10% raise?

LOL, ok. Well I normally enjoy arguing with you but you have nothing to stand on here except to say that the entire team is going to take massive 20+% discounts to stay with the team, when that rarely happens in sports.

It's ok, I don't expect you to understand the concept of winning culture.

But since you're so sure of yourself, as I am of myself, how about a wager? If Kopi ends up signing for 9M+ I will go an entire hockey season, including the playoffs without an avatar, and you do the same if Kopi signs for something under 8M.

Deal?

 

[Herby]

It's ok, I don't expect you to understand the concept of winning culture.

But since you're so sure of yourself, as I am of myself, how about a wager? If Kopi ends up signing for 9M+ I will go an entire hockey season, including the playoffs without an avatar, and you do the same if Kopi signs for something under 8M.

Deal?

Deal

 

[deeshamrock]

Are you saying the other teams don't?



No he won't. I'd be surprised it it goes over 8M. You got guys like Brown, Carter, Richards and Quick all making something in the 5M range. You're nuts, if you think DL is going to pay Kopi anything close to 9M, nor will Kopi be seeking such a salary.

Kopitar will get at least 8.5 if not 9M, because of the very comparable market value of recent contracts (2013, Getz, Perry, Giroux, Malkin) and because Dean Lombardi is a very fair GM and that would be the fair and right thing to do. He won't sell him short, nor is there any reason to.

 

[HYORI 1963]

Kopitar will get at least 8.5, because of the very comparable market value of recent contracts (2013, Getz, Perry, Giroux, Malkin) and because Dean Lombardi is a very fair GM and that would be the fair and right thing to do. He won't sell him short, nor is there any reason to.

Comps don't matter in a winning culture. Players accept less $$ allowing Lombardi to sign key players and keep the winning culture going.

 

[deeshamrock]

Comps don't matter in a winning culture. Players accept less $$ allowing Lombardi to sign key players and keep the winning culture going.

And part that 'winning' culture is keeping his team together and DL is not going to cheat the best player on the team but insulting him.
Giving him a fair contract and keeping him a part of this team for 8 more years is securing that winning culture.
By the time Kopi's new contract kicks in, the CAP will be in the 83 million range , more than enough to keep the 'winning' culture thriving as it pays the best player what he's due.
By your account (7M range) the Kings best player without who there is No Cup, or 3 straight WCF's and no Cups in the near future, gets no raise at all? He's getting 6.8 now. That's the opposite of what a winning culture does.

 

[HYORI 1963]

And part that 'winning' culture is keeping his team together and DL is not going to cheat the best player on the team but insulting him.
Giving him a fair contract and keeping him a part of this team for 8 more years is securing that winning culture.
By the time Kopi's new contract kicks in, the CAP will be in the 83 million range , more than enough to keep the 'winning' culture thriving as it pays the best player what he's due.
By your account (7M range) the Kings best player without who there is No Cup, or 3 straight WCF's and no Cups in the near future, gets no raise at all? He's getting 6.8 now. That's the opposite of what a winning culture does.

If Kopi's the type of player that I think he is, he's going to think about the team before himself, which is the right mindset of the players in the winning culture. So, while you may think that getting paid less than 8M is offensive, I highly doubt Kopi does. I'm pretty sure Kopi's priority is to remain a king NOT making 9M.

 

[deeshamrock]

If Kopi's the type of player that I think he is, he's going to think about the team before himself, which is the right mindset of the players in the winning culture. So, while you may think that getting paid less than 8M is offensive, I highly doubt Kopi does. I'm pretty sure Kopi's priority is to remain a king NOT making 9M.

He does put the team before himself, on just about every shift. Every time he sacrifices some of his offense (stats that some analysts use to determine who is the 'best player' i.e. he who scores the most points) to play defense and win games, Because winning is more important and you won't find a more unselfish player who is all about winning than Kopi and his salary has nothing to do with that.

And giving him a fair contract (which your 7M doesn't) is what a good GM, one who has worked for years to develop and establish a winning culture will do.

Giving Kopi a 8 year deal without a raise is not any part of a winning culture and Lombardi would never do that, he respects Kopitar too much. Nor will it deter him from maintaining his culture, fair contracts and an elite team. He'll get what is fair, he won't get overpayment. Giving him what is fair is a critical part of the backbone of a winning culture.

So by your standards, Drew Doughty is not a part of a winning culture because when he signed his deal, he got fair market value ? Dean negotiated the fair deal for that time for market value for defensemen of that caliber. He'll do no less for Kopitar, given he's one of the top 3 or 4 players in the world.

 

[HYORI 1963]

He does put the team before himself, on just about every shift. Every time he sacrifices some of his offense (stats that some analysts use to determine who is the 'best player' i.e. he who scores the most points) to play defense and win games, Because winning is more important and you won't find a more unselfish player who is all about winning than Kopi and his salary has nothing to do with that.

And giving him a fair contract (which your 7M doesn't) is what a good GM, one who has worked for years to develop and establish a winning culture will do.

Giving Kopi a 8 year deal without a raise is not any part of a winning culture and Lombardi would never do that, he respects Kopitar too much. Nor will it deter him from maintaining his culture, fair contracts and an elite team. He'll get what is fair, he won't get overpayment. Giving him what is fair is a critical part of the backbone of a winning culture.

So by your standards, Drew Doughty is not a part of a winning culture because when he signed his deal, he got fair market value ? Dean negotiated the fair deal for that time for market value for defensemen of that caliber. He'll do no less for Kopitar, given he's one of the top 3 or 4 players in the world.

I don't see the point of going further. If I keep saying under 8M and you keep misquoting 7M, you obviously are not trying to have a fair discussion here. Let's just say we'll agree to disagree, and revisit this thread after Kopi signs for less than 8M.

 

[theMajor]

Dean will do whatever it takes to get Kopitar to stay and keep him happy at the same time.

/Kopi arguing

 

[Herby]

If Kopitar's market value is $9 and he signs an 8 year deal for $7.5 million as you suggest he will, then that is leaving $12 million dollars on the table.

And as deeshamrock already mentioned, Doughty gave no hometown discount to the Kings in 2011, he almost held out into the season and ultimately became one of the highest paid defenders in the league. You think after establishing himself as one of the best players in the world he signs for "7+" when every team in the league will be trying to sign him when he hits UFA.

Another thing to mention is guys like Kopitar and Doughty as elite players help set the market for what everyone else earns. If Kopitar gives a 20% discount to the Kings then that hurts players below him, I am no fan of the NHLPA or most unions, but it is a fact that is how they operate and there is a lot of internal pressure from the PA and also in your own locker room to sign for as much as possible.

How many examples around the league are there of guys leaving that much money on the table for a hometown discount?

 

[KINGS17]

Doughty gave Dean two of his UFA years. For Dean with Doughty, the cap hit proposed by Doughty's agents was always okay. Dean wanted the extra two years and he got them.

 

[deeshamrock]

I don't see the point of going further. If I keep saying under 8M and you keep misquoting 7M, you obviously are not trying to have a fair discussion here. Let's just say we'll agree to disagree, and revisit this thread after Kopi signs for less than 8M.

Guess that answers that...no revisit.