NHL realignment

I was thinking like with MLB, where teams in close geographical proximity are usualy split between the two leagues. I kept the Rangers specifically with the other Original 6 teams (and notice the sixth one that's in the west is also in the same conference). Notice that every other conceivable rivalry is preserved.
MLB (and the NFL) alignments come from the fact that they come out of historically two separate leagues.

The Rangers, Islanders and Devils have all been in the same division since the three have existed in the same metro area. Frankly the Patrick/Atlantic/Metro division teams have a longer history of being grouped together than the “Original 6”.
 
I am not a fan of the need for every team to play in every arena every year. Want to help deal with travel? Eastern teams only play western teams once per year. Buffalo travels to edmonton to play them once this year, next year edmonton travels to Buffalo to play them for the one game. Use those extra games to increase the divisional games. Nobody cares if Ottawa plays San Jose twice in the regular season, but everyone wants to see inter divisional games as much as possible. The NFL does fine not forcing every team to play in every arena every year. This will also help viewers by having less games at awkward times due to the time zones. It will also help rivalries.
In your opinion sure, season ticket holders 100% disagree.
Lol at NFL doesn’t force every team to play every team, thanks tips. Why can’t the NFL play a 64 game season.
 
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I would keep it mainly as it is, with one major difference: I don't understand the eastern divisions right now. Surely it would make more sense to have these divisions:

"East Central": CAR, TB, FLA, PIT, DET, WSH, PHI, CBJ
"North Eastern": BOS, NJ, TOR, NYR, NYI, BUF, OTT, MTL

EDIT: Why are the Florida teams in the Atlantic anyway? Is it to try and minimise the disparities in travel costs?
The Florida teams are in the current Atlantic because breaking up was was formerly the Atlantic (now Metro) was politically fire bomb for the league. The original proposal had Pittsburgh with the old Northeast division team (this proposal also had Detroit and Columbus staying in the central). The Penguins and Flyers screamed about. Likewise the league could break up the Flyers from the 3 NYC teams for similar reasons. So those 5 teams had to stay together.

Because the Florida teams are so geographically separated from the rest of the East they got put with the Northeast teams. We also got the weird name switch as well.
 
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I love rivalries. It’s a damn travesty that Toronto and MTL only play 3 times so that each team can get an extra game against Seattle or some such other nonsense. Only 1 game in Montreal, what a joke NHL!
What rivalry is there between TOR and MTL these days? One is a bottom-feeder and the other is a perennial playoff choker.

Maybe it exists between fanbases, but I highly doubt the players read into this "rivalry" at all. Trying to manufacture rivalries is dumb (i.e. geographic). The best ones come up naturally.

As a hockey fan, I'd rather watch all the teams in the NHL come and play than force feed some made-up "rivalry".
 
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I've said this many times and people lose their mind every time, but I'd really like to see NHL Europe's top soccer leagues do, and just have every team face each other twice, once at home and once on the road. Switch to the obviously better 3 point games as well, and regular season games will actually feel like they matter, rather than you going "eh, there's another game tonight".

Most importantly it would stop the annoying fights here about teams picking up points against shitty teams because everyone would face the same teams over the, now 62 game regular season. Divisions can be scrapped completely and then just align the conferences in a way that makes the most sense for a 1-8 seed playoff format.
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Houston
Atlanta
San Diego
KC
Portland
Quebec City
Hamilton
Toronto 2
uh...
Salt Lake City
and, and hmmm…..Coyotes are doing good, so
Tempe

Anytime anyone suggests separating the Rangers from the Islanders and the Devils shows that they don't take business into consideration when thinking these through
I’d even add the Flyers to those three.
 
As a Buffalo fan I would flat out hate that.

The Rangers, Islanders and Devils? None of the aforementioned are true rivals with the Sabres. The three of the aforementioned are rivals with each other.

Absolutely awful.
 
There's really next to no chance of a major realignment again barring another round or two of expansions that aren't geographically convenient for the current alignment.
 
As a Buffalo fan I would flat out hate that.

The Rangers, Islanders and Devils? None of the aforementioned are true rivals. The three of the aforementioned are rivals with each other.

Absolutely awful.
Yeah, Buffalo with Toronto, Toronto with Montreal, Montreal with Boston. Those 4 have to be together. Then it would make sense to add Ottawa.
 
There's no practical way we'll see anything resembling radical realignment, but there are very limited options for anything other than radical realignment to come to pass. With the exception of the Snowbird Situation, everything else makes sense, and any "solution" to that is politically unviable.

If there was to be any realignment, several teams are going to be very unhappy about the rivalries they're going to lose, and it's not going to result in materially better expansion outcomes, either (for example, there's no realignment that suddenly makes Quebec make more sense than it currently does, and nothing that makes the distance between western teams any easier to handle.)

The league is probably just going to stick new teams in whatever division is the next closest, next best option, and deal with the impracticalities inherent in that.

That said, I wouldn't be opposed, if the league wanted to truly abandon the current structure, to going to a more AL/NL style structure, but with crossover divisions of rivals. For example, taking the current Metro, stick the Flyers, Penguins, Blue Jackets, and Hurricanes together, and the Capitals and the NYC area teams together, split them across leagues, but have those be the "rivalry division" that plays crossover matchups against each other more frequently.
 
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Everyone who makes these suggestions always demands on keeping Philly and Pittsburgh together because NBC with their Crosby hype machine, billed that as an absolute blood feud. But realistically it had no such history. The Flyers need to stay with the Rangers and Devils more than the Penguins.


And anyway, the current divisions work quite well. The biggest issue is the playoff format which is easily solved by going back to 1-8 with division winners getting the top two seeds.
 
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In your opinion sure, season ticket holders 100% disagree.
Lol at NFL doesn’t force every team to play every team, thanks tips. Why can’t the NFL play a 64 game season.
Oh good someone disagrees without providing any legitimate criticism whatsoever. Maybe you could engage in actual conversation instead of just saying "lol, no"? Why act like an ass right off the bat like this? Seriously?

Season Ticket holders disagree? How exactly did you determine that? I am sure you can link me something since you spouted it so pointedly as fact with 100% certainty.

The value of Season tickets largely increases when playing divisional rivals. Want the cheapest tickets in Buffalo? Wait till they are playing Arizona, San Jose, LA. Want the most desired? Try getting tickets when Toronto or Boston come to town. I eagerly await the basis for your 100% certainty that Season ticket holders disagree.
 
Oh good someone disagrees without providing any legitimate criticism whatsoever. Maybe you could engage in actual conversation instead of just saying "lol, no"? Why act like an ass right off the bat like this? Seriously?

Season Ticket holders disagree? How exactly did you determine that? I am sure you can link me something since you spouted it so pointedly as fact with 100% certainty.

The value of Season tickets largely increases when playing divisional rivals. Want the cheapest tickets in Buffalo? Wait till they are playing Arizona, San Jose, LA. Want the most desired? Try getting tickets when Toronto or Boston come to town. I eagerly await the basis for your 100% certainty that Season ticket holders disagree.
As a 20 year STH, teams do surveys each year , playing the same team 6-8x a year was the number one complaint, along with not seeing each team twice.
That was the biggest complaint in most markets for STH.
For some reason you thought saying the NFL doesn’t play every team at home was a sound argument.
 
Everyone who makes these suggestions always demands on keeping Philly and Pittsburgh together because NBC with their Crosby hype machine, billed that as an absolute blood feud. But realistically it had no such history. The Flyers need to stay with the Rangers and Devils more than the Penguins.


And anyway, the current divisions work quite well. The biggest issue is the playoff format which is easily solved by going back to 1-8 with division winners getting the top two seeds.
It's not just NBC. We absolutely hate the Pens at least as much as the Rangers and Devils. The only thing that matters in terms of ordering the three is "which of them is the most direct threat at the time," and since the lockout, that's mostly been the Pens (and now that the Rags and Debbies are good again, we suck, so the Pens are more of a threat to our recovery, since they're the ones who might keep us from a better draft pick if they fall apart.) The only thing that really cooled the rivalry there for a while was Mario coming back from cancer. Too much respect for him to truly let loose, but once he retired, game on.

I do agree about the other bit, though I think the biggest issue is the point structure for games (we need a 3-2-1-0 structure for w/l so there's more reason to try and win in regulation), with the playoff format the secondary issue. Either way, we're probably just bandying about ideas that aren't going to happen.
 
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I actually like your realignment plan. And I might be in the minority but I love the idea of Detroit rejoining the western conference.
 
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As a 20 year STH, teams do surveys each year , playing the same team 6-8x a year was the number one complaint, along with not seeing each team twice.
That was the biggest complaint in most markets for STH.
For some reason you thought saying the NFL doesn’t play every team at home was a sound argument.
It is a sound argument when you are talking about feasibility. If the NFL can survive without the need it shows you don't need to have an even number against every team. It doesn't matter if the number of games in a season are different because all that says is that success is independent of the number of games played and that the product is what is more important. This isn't hard to understand.

You can't on one hand say you want more rivalries and then on the other one reduce the number of times you play potential rivals. It's laughable that Buffalo played Toronto a whopping 3 times last year but thank god we got to face off against Arizona twice.
 
As a Buffalo fan I would flat out hate that.

The Rangers, Islanders and Devils? None of the aforementioned are true rivals with the Sabres. The three of the aforementioned are rivals with each other.

Absolutely awful.
I tried to alleviate that by putting having the metro play the northwest 4 times still. Ottawa, Montreal, Boston and Toronto would get eachother 6 times. Not sure how much Buffalo is getting toronto this year but can't be much more that that, if at all.
 
I love rivalries. It’s a damn travesty that Toronto and MTL only play 3 times so that each team can get an extra game against Seattle or some such other nonsense. Only 1 game in Montreal, what a joke NHL!
This and teams like Calgary and Edmonton I think only play 4 times.

I think Montreal and Toronto play each other to start the season and then not again until April ?

The best thing about hockey is rivalries.

The NHL should look and see which teams that are in the same division and see if there's a bit of rising animosity and make it so they play a minimum of 4 games the next season versus each other and that 2 of those games are relatively close.

I'd take a Calgary - Edmonton game, or a Toronto - Ottawa game over a Montreal game any day of the week at this point.

Rivalries make hockey the best game in the world and anything that makes the NHL better than other sports the NHL tries to do away with.
 
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What rivalry is there between TOR and MTL these days? One is a bottom-feeder and the other is a perennial playoff choker.

Maybe it exists between fanbases, but I highly doubt the players read into this "rivalry" at all. Trying to manufacture rivalries is dumb (i.e. geographic). The best ones come up naturally.

As a hockey fan, I'd rather watch all the teams in the NHL come and play than force feed some made-up "rivalry".
There is also a certain thing called ratings. Ratings are dictated by fan bases. Fan bases love rivalries. Calgary vs Edmonton will always draw.....as will Montreal vs Toronto
 
There is also a certain thing called ratings. Ratings are dictated by fan bases. Fan bases love rivalries. Calgary vs Edmonton will always draw.....as will Montreal vs Toronto
Yes, I said they exist between fanbases. Fanbases like to make up narratives.

There is no on-ice rivalry, which is what I'm saying.
 
What rivalry is there between TOR and MTL these days? One is a bottom-feeder and the other is a perennial playoff choker.

Maybe it exists between fanbases, but I highly doubt the players read into this "rivalry" at all. Trying to manufacture rivalries is dumb (i.e. geographic). The best ones come up naturally.

As a hockey fan, I'd rather watch all the teams in the NHL come and play than force feed some made-up "rivalry".

I understand what you're saying and that's fine. To me, there has always been something special when Toronto and Montreal get together. As a Leafs fan, I love those games. There's a sense of an occasion. A game against Seattle or Vegas or SJ, feels like just another game on the schedule. I want to see more Toronto vs Boston, Toronto vs Ottawa, as a fan of Toronto. There is something more elevated about these games no matter where the teams are in the standings.
 
It is a sound argument when you are talking about feasibility. If the NFL can survive without the need it shows you don't need to have an even number against every team. It doesn't matter if the number of games in a season are different because all that says is that success is independent of the number of games played and that the product is what is more important. This isn't hard to understand.
Your argument loses all credibility using NFL, in what world would the NFL play a 64 game schedule. Saying NFL doesn’t do it, is laughable at best.
You can't on one hand say you want more rivalries and then on the other one reduce the number of times you play potential rivals. It's laughable that Buffalo played Toronto a whopping 3 times last year but thank god we got to face off against Arizona twice.
Never said I want more rivalries.
STH drive the league, that’s who the NHL listens too.
 

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