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TheGoldenJet said:
Malkin made it. I do agree with the rest of your post though.
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Thanks someone mentioned it and it was hard to tell from the link.

Still such a bad list.

But to be fair it was voted on by fans, who as a group tend not to be very good at these things either.

Roy only played 4 seasons in the time period (the NHL used 99-00 which is suspect IMO but it is what it is) and still gets blasted by Vasi who has 67 wins to Roy's pre salary cap 41 wins
 
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Sasha Orlov said:
6 goalies?
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Six is too few. Should have been thirty.

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Wester said:
No Kucherov, No Vasilevskiy. The bias really showing here. How Fleury who was being cited the main reason why Crosby is not winning Stanley Cups consistently ( and it took the Penguins replacing him to win the two cups ) is getting in this team and eventually the HHOF will be always mind boggling to me
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Its a fan vote. So it isn't "bias" necessarily, its just fans being fans.
 
ViD said:
Malkin is there

The disrespect to Kucherov is beyond belief now, I’m getting used to it

Meh. Just 3 Art Ross trophies, 3 120 point seasons, a couple cups. Nothing burger.
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What happened to Johnny Hockey is tragic, and I mean no disrespect to his legacy or memory, but Kucherov getting snubbed for his inclusion in the 'Post-2010 Debut' category is wild
 
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TheGoldenJet said:
Hard to claim anti-Russian bias for Kucherov when he was left off both lists, while Malkin made both lists.
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I wasn't claiming anti-Russian bias, I think Kucherov being the most glaring omission on both lists is very interesting and sadly predictable because of how underrated/disliked he seems to be.
 
In no specific order it should be:

(And where they rank in points in that time period)

Forwards:
1. Crosby (1st)
2. Ovechkin (2nd)
3. McDavid (11th)
4. Thornton (3rd)
5. Kopitar (6th)
6. Malkin (4th)
7. Kucherov (24th)
8. Kane (5th)
9. Iginla (10th)
10. MacKinnon (21st)
11. Stamkos (7th)
12. Draisaitl (30th)
13. Bergeron (18th)

Defensemen:
14. Lidstrom (102nd)
15. Keith (103rd)
16. Chara (100th)
17. Doughty (92nd)
18. Karlsson (42nd)
19. Hedman (57th)

Goalies:
20. Brodeur (4th)
21. Quick (6th)
22. Vasilevskiy (12th)
23. Lundqvist (3rd)
24. Luongo (2nd)
25. Bobrovsky (5th)
 
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Lots of omissions obviously (no Kucherov or Karlsson is crazy)

Including Gaudreau (RIP) is an absolute joke unfortunately
 
landy said:
No Jagr?
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NHL had a rule for the fan vote that we could only select from players that were already selected to a club's Quarter Century First-Team. I think they wanted to avoid a John Scott scenario by having it an open ballot

Jagr didn't make any First Teams for 2000-2025 - which I kind of actually agree with... He made NYR's Second-Team, though.
 
KingsHockey24 said:
In no specific order it should be:

(And where they rank in points in that time period)

Forwards:
1. Crosby (1st)
2. Ovechkin (2nd)
3. McDavid (11th)
4. Thornton (3rd)
5. Kopitar (6th)
6. Malkin (4th)
7. Kucherov (24th)
8. Kane (5th)
9. Iginla (10th)
10. MacKinnon (21st)
11. Stamkos (7th)
12. Draisaitl (30th)
13. Bergeron (18th)

Defensemen:
14. Lidstrom (102nd)
15. Keith (103rd)
16. Chara (100th)
17. Doughty (92nd)
18. Karlsson (42nd)
19. Hedman (57th)

Goalies:
20. Brodeur (4th)
21. Quick (6th)
22. Vasilevskiy (12th)
23. Lundqvist (3rd)
24. Luongo (2nd)
25. Bobrovsky (5th)
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That's much better than the NHL list.

There are a couple of guys I might swap and switch out will post later when not on phone.

Pronger for Dman has a case but that top 6 will be hard to crack.
 
To be fair, it’s a lot harder than it looks to draw an arbitrary number like 25 and say “how many players deserve to be above this number?”. It’s easier to say who was snubbed than to say who should be kicked out.

Here’s how I see it, not in order just writing them as they come to me:

Definitely in (15)
Crosby
McDavid
Ovechkin
Lidstrom
Malkin
MacKinnon
Makar
Kane
Matthews
Thornton
Lundqvist
Chara
Datsyuk
Draisaitl
Brodeur

Probably in, but it’s worth a discussion (7)
Bergeron
Sakic
Fleury
Price
Stamkos
Luongo
Iginla

Definitely out (3)
Gaudreau
Roy
Selanne

Snubbed
Kucherov
Vasilevskiy
Keith
Karlsson
Kopitar
St Louis
Doughty
Hedman
Pronger
Quick
Thomas
Bobrovsky
Hellebuyck

The easy thing is to swap the top 3 snubs (Kuch, Vasi, Keith) in for Gaudreau, Roy, Selanne. That alone makes the list much better. In that difficult middle range, I think Luongo and Stamkos are safe here.

I’m really not convinced about:
Sakic - only had 3 relevant seasons this century. Great seasons, but only 3.
Fleury - Nice guy but he was only a Vezina finalist one time.

If I swap in those two, Karlsson and Kopitar make the list. Then I’m down to Karlsson, Pronger, St Louis against Iginla, Bergeron, maybe Price. That seems like a bunch of toss-ups that would make a good argument but I’m not gonna be mad about it.

Therefore, I would
- remove Gaudreau, Roy, Selanne, Sakic, Fleury
- add Kucherov, Vasilevskiy, Keith, Karlsson, Kopitar
- Argue about Karlsson/Pronger/St Louis vs Iginla/Bergeron/Price
 
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A lot of the obvious ones have been mentioned but I feel like Stamkos often gets put on things like this without enough scrutiny because he has the goal totals and what he looked like he might become without the broken leg. As it stands though I would have 4 Tampa players over him alone (Kucherov, Hedman, St.Louis and Vasilevskiy), and I’m not sure if he’s even top 30 for me.
 
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wetcoast said:
It's an NHL list.

DoesJagr have enough to really be there?

Probably not but maybe since the NHL decided to include 99-00 which really is the last season of the 20th century right?
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Right. I know Jagr seen mainly in that 95-00 period, but

99-00 - 96 points in 63 games. art ross
00-01 - 121 points. art ross. Pearson
05-06 - 123 points. Pearson

and then pure longevity playing until 17-18

Those three seasons alone are pretty monstrous and better than a lot on this list plus a lot of quality seasons in between there.
 
Regal said:
A lot of the obvious ones have been mentioned but I feel like Stamkos often gets put on things like this without enough scrutiny because he has the goal totals and what he looked like he might become without the broken leg. As it stands though I would have 4 Tampa players over him alone (Kucherov, Hedman, St.Louis and Vasilevskiy), and I’m not sure if he’s even top 30 for me.
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See, I think Stamkos gets slept on the same way Thornton did.

Next year he turns 35 and will have scored 600 goals already. The only other players to score 600 goals since the year 2000 are Ovechkin and Crosby.

And it’s not like he did it by compiling. Again he’s only 35. He has seven 40-goal seasons. He has five 90-point seasons. Those are big numbers, borderline superstar numbers, and he did it by playing mostly in a low-scoring league.

He was also the common thread that saw Tampa through the dark era, through their growing pains, and through the course of their dynasty.

For my money he deserves to be there as much as half the guys on this list. To take a deliberately provocative example, hold Stamkos’ career up against Datsyuk’s and the gap isn’t nearly as big as we’d all think when we hear those names.
 
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