NHL Players Reportedly Bothered By Jacob Trouba Trade Saga With Rangers

[#37]

They did this to their Captain? Classless.

 

[PaulD]

Do nothing. Every team in the league has lost 6 out of 7 , or will , or is capable of that. Nobody is that good.
Don't panic. Make play offs . Tweak before deadline.
Panther lost 4 straight once already and are still the best "team" in the league. Probably favorites to win the east again and go to the finals. Oilers stunk in October but are one of the best teams in the west regardless.
Address a couple spots before deadline.
I think most of us can tell you right now who the 16 play off teams will be.
Rags are in.

So what if they are bothered. ( Which i doubt they are) Trades are part of the business.
Boo hoo.
Welcome to the big leagues.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Oh ya it's so life changing and devastating when you have to pack up and move to another city, when the average NHL player makes more in one single pay cheque than the average household income makes in an entire year.

Heck all the star players make more money in one game than a house of 4 or 5 people make in an entire year.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Jeff Skinner is a great example. A good but not a great player in his career and he's been in the league for over 10 years now. Got bought out last summer and will likely be team hopping for the next few seasons (so lots of moving) until retirement.

His career earnings to date.
$92,494,445

 

[surixon]

Except it wasn't stipulated in any of the CBAs that contracts had to be a certain length. Kovalchuk was 27 at the time the contract was signed, meaning he would play until he was 44. Who knows? Thornton played until he was 42. Fleury, as a goalie, is 40. Jagr is still playing.

The thing is, if you don't care about those, why are you in this thread, because you seem to care about this.


So, in other words, you can't explain the situation at all or why players are concerned about this move.


It depends; I mean is it the player's fault that the team overvalued them?

To be fair had Trouba maintained his form from his Winnipeg days he would have been worth that contract but his game really fell off in NY.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Jacob Trouba should go talk to his agent that he paid probably 3+ million dollars to and ask him why he didn't get him an NMC along with an M-NTC to protect him from this scenario.

He already knows the answer and it’s because he wanted more cash instead.

 

[FiveTacos]

I mean, the Rangers have some prreetttttyy horrible users on these boards, but that's no reason to develop a Rangers Derangement Syndrome.

Funny thing is, they're my East coast team.

But to me, they have no one to blame but themselves for this whole drama. Trouba even in his prime was not worth 8m, never mind with an additional NMC/NTC.

That it reached the point where he was so overpaid that they'd have rather waived him, is ultimately an indictment of the decision to offer him that contract in the first place.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

I'm also guessing you don't care that teams like Vegas can stash a player on LTIR until the playoffs or that the Devils shouldn't have been penalized for signing Kovalchuk to his contract, because (a) the NHL signed off on these contracts and (b) there is nothing that stipulated that GMs couldn't tack on a few extra years with a small amount of money coming to the players provided they didn't violate any other agreements...

Right?

just because the Devils didn’t break any rules per se, doesn’t mean they are above punishment.

Every team has given their consent that the commissioner is empowered to retroactively punish teams that he determines have violated the spirit of the salary cap, whether or not any explicit rules have been broken. And that’s exactly what happened.

It’s not that different from the fact that refs in many sports (including hockey) are given the discretion to call penalties or even award goals to punish acts that are palpably unfair and violate the spirit of the rules, even if that act isn’t explicitly banned as part of a rule.

 

[chirrrs]

Interesting to see Drury on the other end of this given how the Briere/Drury saga went down in Buffalo all those years ago!

 

[Ciao]

They did this to their Captain? Classless.

Yeah, I've always thought Trouba is all about Trouba and has absolutely no class. You've hit the nail on the head: the New York Rangers have been dealing with one classless guy.

They would have known that even before they acquired him, with the way he walked all over the Winnipeg Jets. Jacob Trouba is and always has been the centre of his own universe.

I guess what goes around comes around.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

It must be difficult for Trouba to deal with the fact he was forced to be traded. For a guy who has made $64M in his career.

 

[ForsbergMoDo21]

They did this to their Captain? Classless.

Making him captain was 1000x more classless.

Guy's probably the biggest piece of shit in the league right now.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

So what’s the ELI5 breakdown of this whole situation in bullet points from his Winnipeg days to today’s date?

 

[Ciao]

I'm still enjoying this way too much.

I just don't like Jacob Trouba.

 

[TheNumber4]

Wait. There’s folks on the players side? Putting aside the fact that Trouba is a POS. NHL players are the top 1% of 1% of hockey players paid millions to play the game. It’s a privilege and a dream to play in this League. And they have the balls to whine about what City they play in?

You want to be on the side of the “little guy” in this situation? The little guys are not these primadonna millionaires and it’s definitely not the teams. The little guys are the fans.

Ask Nordiques fans how they felt when Lindros rejected their entire City and wasted their 1st OA pick and a year of trash fire hockey.

 

[Stephen]

I think this may stem from the fact that Trouba definitely had all 7 Canadian teams on his NTC. And ironically at the time of the threat, he would have been turning down 5 teams in playoff positions.
But down near the bottom of the waiver claim order is Montreal who would have had a pretty decent chance of landing him. And instead of playing in sunny Cal, he could have been stuck going somewhere he has on his NTC. Which is a shame I guess. Forced his hand to choose Anaheim.

If anyone has ever followed the Rangers in free agency, they basically treat their UFA mecenaries like UFA mercenaries.

Wade Redden buried in the minors and bought out, Scott Gomez dumped to Montreal, Brad Richards buy out, Bobby Holik buy out, Kevin Shattenkirk buy out. Oh and I almost forgot, Chris Drury buy out.

 

[Ciao]

Wait. There’s folks on the players side? Putting aside the fact that Trouba is a POS. NHL players are the top 1% of 1% of hockey players paid millions to play the game. It’s a privilege and a dream to play in this League. And they have the balls to whine about what City they play in?

You want to be on the side of the “little guy” in this situation? The little guys are not these primadonna millionaires and it’s definitely not the teams. The little guys are the fans.

Ask Nordiques fans how they felt when Lindros rejected their entire City and wasted their 1st OA pick and a year of trash fire hockey.

I dunno. The franchise did okay when they got Peter Forsberg, who turned out to be the best player in the deal.

Quebec City's problem wasn't that Eric Lindros screwed them; Marcel Aubut did.

The team left before they saw the end result.

 

[TheNumber4]

I dunno. The franchise did okay when they got Peter Forsberg, who turned out to be the best player in the deal.

Quebec City's problem wasn't that Eric Lindros screwed them; Marcel Aubut did.

The team left before they saw the end result.

They lucked out and did well, and Colorado and not Quebec got the benefits.

Regardless, you have players breaking the norms and protocols of RFA status. Acting like whiny entitled babies. That’s a lot different than NYR adhering to the terms of a negotiated contract and either waiving Trouba or sending him off to a team now on his NTC.

 

[Flair Hay]

Players can choose to hold out and go public to force trades. I don't see what the big deal is for a team to do likewise to force a player out.

Trouba did the same to the Jets years ago and got a taste of his own medicine by the Rangers. Don't feel top bad for him.

I was gonna say...

 

[archangel2]

Jeff Skinner is a great example. A good but not a great player in his career and he's been in the league for over 10 years now. Got bought out last summer and will likely be team hopping for the next few seasons (so lots of moving) until retirement.

His career earnings to date.
$92,494,445

It is amusing how many oiler fans want the oilers to treat Skinner worse then the Rangers treated Trouba to get him to waive his NMC so they can trade him or waive him. Skinner is playing just to play one single playoff game at this point in time. 1034 regular season with not a single playoff game played.

 

[x Tame Impala]

This shouldn’t be a 20 page discussion. Trouba’s agent should have negotiated for a NMC. He didn’t. So now Trouba’s shitty play got him basically put on waivers.

These are the realities of: his contract, the CBA, and the NHL. End of story.

 

[Hire Sather]

So basically sounds like the players no longer want NTCs, they just want NMCs. Which of course they already have, if they negotiate it into their contracts.

The next time there is a lockout and everyone is on the players side, remember how they agree to a CBA and then bitch about what they agreed to

This shit is an absolute joke. Trouba's NMC ended and the Rangers attempted to make a move based on his new contract status

But since Trouba is the only guy in the NHL with a family, he felt he was above being moved and deserved a full NMC for the duration of his deal

Trouba is a leader in a different way. Maybe he's angling to be the head of the PA one day. This is a guy who held out. Forced his way out of Winnipeg, gets to the Rangers and becomes a captain. Then believes he shouldn't be traded despite him signing a f***ing contract that gave him a full no move for 5 years before the last 2 years shortened to a 15 team no trade..

It's almost like the team wanted that on purpose so they could trade him at the end of the deal .

But Trouba apparently felt he was wronged. Guy is a joke and always has been. Despised the guy when he held out in Winnipeg but obviously had to root for him as a Ranger.

It's a disgrace this guy ever wore the C on a Rangers sweater. So please to see this guy off the roster.. and dread the day he is the leader of the PA because I'm pretty sure that is what he wants one day

If his wife lets him.

 

[jniklast]

Yes, that's true. But what good is negotiating a M-NTC if waivers can eliminate that? We're not talking about a player being sent to the AHL and the issue isn't being on actual waivers. Teams typically expect a slightly lesser deal when you add restrictions, no? Yet, they can put you on waivers to be claimed by those 15 teams. That's the issue. The other issue is a GM telling the player, "Waive to a team I have a deal with or else." That's what Drury did.

Are teams doing anything currently against what they have the right to do when it comes to putting players on waivers? No. But does it make sense? Again, no, not really. It's not difficult to understand why players think that's something that should be changed. It's not something that should change tomorrow, but it should definitely be talked about in the CBA negotiations. This isn't exactly a pick your battles situation. It's a pretty big one.

But this whole scenario depends on the player having little to no trade value. It's not like the waivers are a free way of circumventing the NTC.

I really can't imagine that being too big of an issue for the players. I mean the majority of NHL players doesn't ever sniff an NTC, so are they really willing to fight and give up concessions (it's a negotiation after all) for the increased comfort of their overpaid colleagues? Now obviously the stars of the league have an increased say in it, but there already is a solution, so I don't think they care that much either.

In the end the next bigger UFA could take note of this and refuse to sign with the Rangers/Drury without an NMC, but other than that I can't imagine this being too important for the players, since it is just a niche scenario.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Ask Nordiques fans how they felt when Lindros rejected their entire City and wasted their 1st OA pick and a year of trash fire hockey.

That franchise made out like bandits from that trade and won the cup a few years later as a direct result. Hard to imagine things working out any better had they actually kept him.

Just because a team drafts a player doesn’t mean they owe some debt of gratitude to that team, let alone the people that live in that city. Players are human beings, trying to look out for what’s best for them and their families. That trumps the rooting interests of fans 100 times out of 100. Each team knows they run the risk of not being able to sign a draft pick, and it’s on them to make the best deal they can if that ends up happening.

If you want to boo-hoo for someone, do it for the NJ Devils. Gretzky and his dad orchestrated that sketchy “personal services contract” that ensured he wouldn’t end up drafted by a bottom feeder when the WHA inevitably joined the NHL. As a result, the Devils didn’t even get the satisfaction of being able to trade his rights for a huge haul.

Gonna guess you aren’t too broken up about that situation though?

 

[Ciao]

But this whole scenario depends on the player having little to no trade value. It's not like the waivers are a free way of circumventing the NTC.

I really can't imagine that being too big of an issue for the players. I mean the majority of NHL players doesn't ever sniff an NTC, so are they really willing to fight and give up concessions (it's a negotiation after all) for the increased comfort of their overpaid colleagues? Now obviously the stars of the league have an increased say in it, but there already is a solution, so I don't think they care that much either.

In the end the next bigger UFA could take note of this and refuse to sign with the Rangers/Drury without an NMC, but other than that I can't imagine this being too important for the players, since it is just a niche scenario.

It's yesterday's news and will have no impact on signings with or by Chris Drury and/or the Rangers. Ever.