NHL Players getting Venmo requests from fans that lost bets on the players/teams

[Nac Mac Feegle]

This also alludes to something that could turn sinister. Fans trying to get player to venmo them money also suggests that some folks think the players are at least partially responsible for those gambling losses. And that could be dangerous. This whole thing sounds funny right now, but all you need is one person who loses everything and takes his rage out on the player that "caused" him to lose his bet and it becomes a tragedy.

 

[Oilslick941611]

It can absolutely be destructive. I don’t like or agree with all the ads either. The only issue I took was you saying everyone that bets in sports is an idiot. If I sit down on a football Sunday and make two $5 parlays to make the games that much more interesting? I fail to see how that would make me an idiot. It’s $10 I can afford and impacts no one. You can’t paint every single person with the same brush. Am I an idiot because I enjoy having a few beer since there are alcoholics who destroy their families? It’s moronic to paint everyone with the same brush no matter what it is.


That’s fine. To each their own. It can be very stupid if it’s not able to be handled properly. I only took issue when he said everyone that bets on sports is an idiot.

I hold the same views on alcohol that i do gambling.

But i have family that died of liver issues that was alcohol was a contributing factor, along with gambling, so you dont really want to know my real private opinion on these issues and those who do it.

 

[LuGBuG]

I hold the same views on alcohol that i do gambling.

But i have family that died of liver issues that was alcohol was a contributing factor, along with gambling, so you dont really want to know my real private opinion on these issues and those who do it.

I’m sorry to hear that. I stand by what I said that because of your experiences in life that doesn’t make everyone an idiot. It makes you sound like you think you are better than everyone. The fact you can’t see that is frightening really.

 

[Oilslick941611]

I’m sorry to hear that. I stand by what I said that because of your experiences in life that doesn’t make everyone an idiot. It makes you sound like you think you are better than everyone. The fact you can’t see that is frightening really.

Maybe.

It’s also what prevents me falling into the same trap as those in my family. Im okay with that. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that people dont like my strong views on these two issues.

 

[jbeck5]

Again you’re saying the same thing that the onus is on the harassed to modify their behaviour to not be harassed and in this particular case its people sending invoices for lost bets, do you see how f***ed up that is?

You also seem weirdly offended that i have this line of thinking, like you accuse me of having some fetish towards harassment for thinking that its out of line for people send invoices to athletes because of lost bets and that the athletes are the ones that need to modify their behaviour. I attacked your words, you attacked me in response.

Because you're totally ignoring what I said. I asked a simple question.

I'm capable of saying that the ones harrassing are in the wrong, but I'm also capable of asking a question.

Are you capable of also saying the ones harrassing are in the wrong, but also capable of answering a question?

Look, we both agree the ones harrassing are in the wrong. No conversation to be had there.

Great. Now that we agree and that conversation is over, I have another question.

My question is, why do celebrities not just make their social accounts private so they don't get harassed by idiots?

If you don't have an answer, you can move along, as we already agree who's in the wrong.

 

[Incognito]

Pretty sure that’s not how gambling works.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Because you're totally ignoring what I said. I asked a simple question.

I'm capable of saying that the ones harrassing are in the wrong, but I'm also capable of asking a question.

Are you capable of also saying the ones harrassing are in the wrong, but also capable of answering a question?

Look, we both agree the ones harrassing are in the wrong. No conversation to be had there.

Great. Now that we agree and that conversation is over, I have another question.

My question is, why do celebrities not just make their social accounts private so they don't get harassed by idiots?

If you don't have an answer, you can move along, as we already agree who's in the wrong.

The question you are asking is the same thing as saying women shouldn’t wear revealing clothing if they dont want to get harassed.

Saying you are just asking question is disingenuous when what you really are saying is if they dont want to be harassed just make your profile private.

It’s disingenuous for at least 2 reasons,

1. its putting the onus on the wrong group and suggests both sides are in the wrong, when in reality they shouldn’t need to put their accounts on private in the first place.

2. you’re asking a leading rhetorical question that takes away from the root issue because no one here can provide an answer to your question

 

[gary559]

I do think it’s unethical that sport companies are being sponsored by gambling companies. They should slam the hammer down on that. No professional sport companies should be allowed to have sponsorships and shit even advertising on TV. On ESPN and TNT all they talk about is their gambling sponsors.

How is any of this legal? What’s next PHub ads in the NHL? “Close first period Jim, however let’s go to our segment ‘Biggest five hole by PHub’ to break down how Ovechkin destroyed Niemi’s five hole”

If this is weird to you then so should gambling ads in sports.

I mean if you are going to use that slippery slope argument then I have the right to say we should ban beer and alcohol ads too, which of course is ridiculous. You could even argue that food ads are predatory since some people abuse that. Or video games, or anything really, drug ads etc. I gamble a little, I don't win or lose more than $500 in a typical year and I can usually count on one hand how many bets I make. It makes the game more fun and interesting to watch. Problem is some people have problems with being able to enjoy something in moderation and it becomes a problem. Should I not be able to have fun with gambling occasionally because some people can't control themselves?

 

[blundluntman]

Bring back the days when gamblers were alcoholics who got beat up by mobsters biweekly, those were real men.

 

[bossram]

So there's definitely a lot of validity to your concerns with barriers to action. Legalized gambling has been a thing in many countries for a long time, but the recent switch to phone-app as replacement bookie is demolished inhibition.

For the bolded, I can't find any support for that level of action, it looks like the number ~25%?

For the rest of you boomers eating up this ragebait slop... I dunno honestly it's exactly what I expect of you.

EDIT: and I'm firmly against APP betting, and sports betting in general it ruins people.

EDIT: There's only two sorts of sports betting I approve of, although personally do not partake in:
1. Making a small bet <$100 for season results. it takes away the immediacy of the risk-reward.
2. Going to a horse track and making a day out of being with friends and betting $2 a race.

For the record, I quite enjoy gambling. I have fun at the casino. I have many sportsbooks accounts and sports bet literally every day. But the way I approach is more like a job - research, track every bet, record results, analyze results. This is not how 99% of people bet.

I would not like betting to be illegal again. But there definitely should be some common sense protections and regulation in place.

 

[LuGBuG]

Since you really want me to acknowledge the harrassment like some weird fetish, let me rephrase.

"Knowing that their are crazy people out there who will harass people, why would a celebrity not just make their accounts private to avoid dealing with crazy people in the same way every single teacher I know does?"

If teachers realize they gotta do it, maybe celebrities should too?

The guy you are talking too thinks he is better then everyone else. His argument makes no sense anyone with logic knew what you were saying. I wouldn’t waste anymore time on such a thick headed narcissist.

 

[Sol]

I mean if you are going to use that slippery slope argument then I have the right to say we should ban beer and alcohol ads too, which of course is ridiculous. You could even argue that food ads are predatory since some people abuse that. Or video games, or anything really, drug ads etc. I gamble a little, I don't win or lose more than $500 in a typical year and I can usually count on one hand how many bets I make. It makes the game more fun and interesting to watch. Problem is some people have problems with being able to enjoy something in moderation and it becomes a problem. Should I not be able to have fun with gambling occasionally because some people can't control themselves?

Match fixing and professional sports go hand in hand. When was the last time some guy took a dive for Doritos or coors light? Your argument is bad.

The NHL should be out of sports gambling

 

[albinaguerette]

It’s not that that i care about him throwing his money away, its more that i care about how gambling can affect those around them, like families and communities. I dont care that he wants to throw his money away, but i care about how normalize betting it is and how it infiltrated every aspect of society, we have ads on tv, we have broadcasts dedicating full segments to betting, we have updates during games about odds and props. Some people can’t control themselves and will destroy their families over it.

These ads are telling people people it’s okay to bet on the couch while watching tv with their girlfriend and actively support and enable destructive and addictive behaviours. That’s my issue with gambling and more importantly, my issue with people who gamble is that they dont acknowledge this or think its a problem.

You have put all people into one category of idiots in essence. If a person has no money and he spent all his salary on entertainment, then this is not normal.

 

[NVious]

Can I send some money to Kravtsov somehow? His play and achievements are a general inspiration to me.

 

[GOilers88]

This is why items need common sense warnings.

Common sense is dying out with self-preservation.

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

I don't understand how a random creep/idiot can get a player's Venmo account info. Can somebody explain that? Like does Venmo work somehow in a way that you can just search up a user by name and send them a request? Wouldn't you at least need to know their phone number or email or some other personal identification before Venmo gives access to requests?

Honest question, never used the app and from a European perspective it sounds pretty weird if the app just exposes everybody to this.

 

[elmaco]

I don't understand how a random creep/idiot can get a player's Venmo account info. Can somebody explain that? Like does Venmo work somehow in a way that you can just search up a user by name and send them a request? Wouldn't you at least need to know their phone number or email or some other personal identification before Venmo gives access to requests?

Honest question, never used the app and from a European perspective it sounds pretty weird if the app just exposes everybody to this.

It's the same as Mobilepay in europe.

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

It's the same as Mobilepay in europe.

MobilePay doesn't allow you to find people who are not in your contacts, unless you know the phone number. (I just tried, businesses can have a public option I guess but I couldn't find any random people with just their name.)

There was some commotion about it some years back so maybe it works differently here in Finland (above), but surely you can't find people just by typing their name in other European countries either?

Edit: Unless you meant that indeed, Venmo doesn't expose people either, in which case I apologize for the above. But then the original question stands, where does a random idiot get the player's number in the first place, are we talking like friend-of-a-friend-of-a-player or what's the situation here...

 

[elmaco]

MobilePay doesn't allow you to find people who are not in your contacts, unless you know the phone number. (I just tried, businesses can have a public option I guess but I couldn't find any random people with just their name.)

There was some commotion about it some years back so maybe it works differently here in Finland (above), but surely you can't find people just by typing their name in other European countries either?

Edit: Unless you meant that indeed, Venmo doesn't expose people either, in which case I apologize for the above. But then the original question stands, where does a random idiot get the player's number in the first place, are we talking like friend-of-a-friend-of-a-player or what's the situation here...

Venmo doesn't expose people. It's entirely possible that a friend of a friend or something similar has leaked it.