Olympics: NHL participation in the 2022 Olympics

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«НХЛ хочет поехать на Олимпиаду, но может отказаться за неделю до старта». Третьяк — об Играх в Пекине, сборной России и реформах в КХЛ

"Is it still topical?
- The NHL may refuse to travel to the other side of the world a week before the opening of the Olympic Games. Even the existence of agreements does not guarantee anything if a pandemic rages in China again. Now the numbers of people infected with coronavirus there are small, but no one knows what will happen tomorrow or winter."

-Tretiak.
 
Any kind of bump in the road gives the NHL an excuse to get out of the Olympics. There is some vague agreement that the NHL will go to the 2022 and 2026 Olympics, master negotiator that the NHLPA is, but that doesn't mean much when the NHL can cite covid or insurance issues. The league may still go but it isn't going to push hard for it.

The NHL doesn't need the Olympics and the Olympics doesn't need the NHL. Ideally we could get a best on best tournament at the Olympics and also one at a World Cup. The instability and inconsistency on display with the powers in this situation however leave us with things like a beyond irrelevant Olympic tournament (2018) and a terrible joke of a tournament (2016). Also RIP to the NHL's planned 2020 tournament.

Maybe the players and hockeyfans needs to see a real world championship? I am sick and tired of all the B tournaments.

An olympic medal is something that will give recognision in your home country. A great player like Victor Hedman is missing out his chance to get into peoples heart back home.

Yeah 2 Stanley Cups... the average Swede hardly know what the Stanley Cup is.
 
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Maybe the players and hockeyfans needs to see a real world championship? I am sick and tired of all the B tournaments.

An olympic medal is something that will give recognision in your home country. A great player like Victor Hedman is missing out his chance to get into peoples heart back home.

Yeah 2 Stanley Cups... the average Swede hardly know what the Stanley Cup is.

I don't think that the IIHF world championships is the answer. That ship sailed many decades ago.

It is unfortunate for the players like Hedman, and I hope that they keep pushing the NHL and eventually get their shot.
 
Maybe the players and hockeyfans needs to see a real world championship? I am sick and tired of all the B tournaments.

An olympic medal is something that will give recognision in your home country. A great player like Victor Hedman is missing out his chance to get into peoples heart back home.

Yeah 2 Stanley Cups... the average Swede hardly know what the Stanley Cup is.

you do see the real world championship every year....its called the Stanley Cup playoffs.
 
That's like saying UEFA Champions League is the "real" World Cup. There is an obvious difference between club and country competitions.

The NHL is the pinnacle league in the world bar none. A meaningless two week tourney every 4 years doesn't change that very fact. The Olympics are far better served by having amateurs only competing. Likewise, the NHL is far better served not risking its players in the Olympics.
 
If you dont wanna see the best on best teams in the world play you can't really say you're an actual hockey fan. You're a fan of your city.
These aren't real teams. They are all star-(ish) teams that play like six games every four years. I'm all for NHL players at the Olympics for my personal entertainment, but let's not make it a bigger thing than it needs to be with questioning people's enjoyment of the sport.
 
The NHL is the pinnacle league in the world bar none. A meaningless two week tourney every 4 years doesn't change that very fact. The Olympics are far better served by having amateurs only competing. Likewise, the NHL is far better served not risking its players in the Olympics.

"Meaningless"

Olympic viewership makes the SC playoffs look like a minnie mouse tournament. The Stanley Cup is pretty damn meaningless to 99% of the entire planet. You've got rogue players majority of whom have lived a pretty privileged life at the outset (unlike soccer stars, many of whom were born poor) chasing big paydays so they can buy monstrosity homes and Lamborghinis - or in other cases allegedly gamble it away while their children are starving for formula - and billionaire owners who don't give a damn about the average joe in their city buying and selling them like stock commodities for their vanity project so they can brag to their billionaire friends on their yacht (or on shark tank to googly eyed pitches hoping for investment) that they own a winning team.

Tell me about meaningless.

On the other side of the coin you have athletes training their entire lives, often on small subsistence salaries on various programs mostly for the love of the sport and its technique. Say what we all will about the corruption of the IOC but most of these Olympic athletes have way more heart, story and struggle than the average NHL player.

Then take the international ice hockey tournaments. These guys want to be there. These countries' taxes, and by that nature the populace supported them through public programs, rightly or wrongly. It's often part or a byproduct of a nation's sport development program. It's not purely entertainment, it's not a billionaire's toy (well, perhaps in ROC's case it's Putin's pride and joy). It might be a bit political, but international tournaments will always be the most significant thing on the globe.

Also, a properly outfitted and practiced best-on-best Canadian or USA team would probably beat the living snot out of the Tampa Bay Lightning, so don't talk about the "world's greatest team/entertainment". I'd even bet on a healthy best-on-best team Sweden for the national camaraderie - jury's out on Finland and the ROC.

Tampa's just what the owner happened to buy with money, manage through good GMing and luck into through draft picks and lotteries. The people of Tampa had NOTHING to do with their team. There wasn't even anyone from the state of Florida on their team. Shit, there wasn't even anyone from within 1,000 miles on their team. There were double the amount of Europeans as there were Americans on that team. Only 3 players from USA played meaningfully in their Stanley Cup run even. Maybe Canada should be celebrating it as national win since the vast majority of the team is Canadian too?

I mean I get the risk to the player from a business perspective entirely, and they should be compensated or insured appropriately, but that's only if you own or receive stock options or some other benefits in the venture. I also totally get fans' concerns for players to get injured - I'm a fan of an NHL team and personally I don't care because I know perfectly well they can get a season ending injury in practice one night, or playing those very same two weeks in league play. IT'S RANDOM. They might have even avoided a possibly injury at home by going, who knows.

I just find it completely asinine to declare something as "meaningless" because you deem it as so yourself when the very thing you project as "meaningful" is so to only a small proportion of the world and doesn't really stand up to any sort of serious scrutiny.
 
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The NHL is the pinnacle league in the world bar none. A meaningless two week tourney every 4 years doesn't change that very fact. The Olympics are far better served by having amateurs only competing. Likewise, the NHL is far better served not risking its players in the Olympics.

There is a stark difference between rooting for a club team and rooting for a country. The two experiences are not "better" or "worse" than one another, they're just... different. I don't care if the best-on-best hockey tournament for countries is the Olympics, the World Cup or the World Championship, as long as it's held regularly, just like World Cup in soccer.
 
These aren't real teams. They are all star-(ish) teams that play like six games every four years. I'm all for NHL players at the Olympics for my personal entertainment, but let's not make it a bigger thing than it needs to be with questioning people's enjoyment of the sport.

Well, somehow, in soccer, people do watch World Cup, European Championship, Copa America etc, even though those national teams can also be called "allstar(-ish)"...
 
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you do see the real world championship every year....its called the Stanley Cup playoffs.

Well, one can get to see the worlds best players by following the NHL, but I am obviously speaking about national teams and national pride here. The more casual fans of sports might ONLY know hockey players from events like the olympics. The NHL playoffs is played in the middle of the night here in Sweden, its not for the casual "every now and then" hockey viewer.
 
The NHL is the pinnacle league in the world bar none. A meaningless two week tourney every 4 years doesn't change that very fact. The Olympics are far better served by having amateurs only competing. Likewise, the NHL is far better served not risking its players in the Olympics.
You're wrong mate and you know it.
 
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Well, somehow, in soccer, people do watch World Cup, European Championship, Copa America etc, even though those national teams can also be called "allstar(-ish)"...
Yes, those national teams are a bit more regular and play around 10 games or so per year
 
Yes, those national teams are a bit more regular and play around 10 games or so per year

So do national hockey teams. Must be news to you, eh? Yes, the NHL is sabotaging not just the World Championships but also those other national team games over the course of the season.

Hockey should be like football ("soccer"): there should be slots in the calendar throughout the season when national teams would play their games. The NHL should put up and shut up.

you do see the real world championship every year....its called the Stanley Cup playoffs.

:D The most ridiculous take ever. Please understand that most Europeans don't give a damn about a competition between cities on a foreign continent overseas. But they do care about the Olympics and the World Championships.
 
Of all the arguments for the NHL going to the olympics the most weak one has to be that Europeans sure do care about the olympics.

I am sure the NHL is just stopped in their tracks by that one. I want the players to go the the games.............but that argument isn't going to sway anyone that runs that organization, why even bother voicing it when it carries absolutely zero value?

Best to stick to legitimate points that have actual leverage I would think.
 
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So do national hockey teams. Must be news to you, eh? Yes, the NHL is sabotaging not just the World Championships but also those other national team games over the course of the season.
The IIHF World Championships? Come on... those are just random teams put together each time, no continuity other than for the very small, not competitive countries.

Football has 'serious' play throughout, as if you're European for instance you go form Euro Qualifying -> Euros -> World Cup Qualifying -> World Cup, with Friendlies scattered in there. And now even the Friendlies are being replaced with this Nations League thing which, say what you will about its value, is a another competition involving the best players (and has tangible rewards for the bigger events).

To make it tangible, Sidney Crosby has 37 appearances for Team Canada in senior competition. That's across the World Championships, Olympics and that World Cup of Hockey thing. Cristiano Ronaldo has 128 appearances for Portugal in senior competition.

One of the biggest issues for Hockey is that there is not serious depth like there is Association Football. Poland is not a top anything nation and yet the best striker in the world is from there. The African nations are all producing great players. The really bad nations still at least play it competitively and produce their share of good players. Canada could send a team of Junior A players and they would still qualify for the Olympics over other countries "best".
 
Canada could send a team of Junior A players and they would still qualify for the Olympics over other countries "best".
This comment is completely out of touch with reality. Good luck trying to beat the best-on-best versions of Denmark, Latvia and Slovakia with junior players.
 
This comment is completely out of touch with reality. Good luck trying to beat the best-on-best versions of Denmark, Latvia and Slovakia with junior players.
If Canada is in "qualifying" you have to bump the team that was in 9th to 8th, which is Slovakia. So Russia, Finland, Sweden, Czech Republic, United States, Germany, Switzerland and now Slovakia are the 8 that are already in.

That leaves three* spots for Latvia, Norway, Denmark, France, Belarus, Austria, Italy, South Korea, Slovenia. Hungary, Poland and the new Canadian Junior A team. I'm sorry but you're off your rocker if you don't think Canada could send a very weak team of nobodies that would still qualify easily against that level of competition, by being Top 3 out of those teams.

*because host nation automatically qualifies and wouldn't otherwise in this year, some years, the host nation is Top 12 already and not "stealing" a spot.

Either way, my point is, even with a less automatic qualification process that sees every team need to make it through, the depth of competition is weak enough that countries wouldn't need to send anything close to their A team to get in without difficulty.
 
The IIHF World Championships? Come on... those are just random teams put together each time, no continuity other than for the very small, not competitive countries.

Football has 'serious' play throughout, as if you're European for instance you go form Euro Qualifying -> Euros -> World Cup Qualifying -> World Cup, with Friendlies scattered in there. And now even the Friendlies are being replaced with this Nations League thing which, say what you will about its value, is a another competition involving the best players (and has tangible rewards for the bigger events).

To make it tangible, Sidney Crosby has 37 appearances for Team Canada in senior competition. That's across the World Championships, Olympics and that World Cup of Hockey thing. Cristiano Ronaldo has 128 appearances for Portugal in senior competition.

One of the biggest issues for Hockey is that there is not serious depth like there is Association Football. Poland is not a top anything nation and yet the best striker in the world is from there. The African nations are all producing great players. The really bad nations still at least play it competitively and produce their share of good players. Canada could send a team of Junior A players and they would still qualify for the Olympics over other countries "best".

Some fans want hockey to take after soccer and it's never going to happen, plus there isn't really any need. Hockey simply isn't organized to the same level in international hockey and there are various reasons for that and they won't change. We can still expect there to be some sort of best on best level competition but things like taking league breaks for friendlies or expecting players to show up in the off season for those sort of games isn't realistic in hockey. I also feel quite confident that the vast majority of NHL fans wouldn't want international breaks outside of the best on best level, myself included.

It is an interesting thought experiment to consider what international teams might be like if there was actually continuity but in hockey it won't happen. Each best on best team is a clearly distinct entity among the top teams.
 
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Best-on-best international hockey is literally the pinnacle and best of any sport to watch.

Lol at suggesting Euro diving soccer has anything on best-on-best hockey.

You’re telling me Albania v Poland beats the Canada v USA gold medal game at the 2010 Olympics?
Come on! Using Albania vs Poland as a soccer example is the equivalent of using Mexico v New Zealand as a hockey example! Hilarious! Poland and Albania are soccer non-entities, just like Mexico and New Zealand are in hockey, so it's a bit silly to use that as an example to compare to the great Canada v USA 2010 Olympic hockey final, no? You don't like soccer, and that's absolutely fine. I'm guessing you're North American, so soccer is not part of your traditional sporting culture, which is why you clearly don't understand its appeal and just randomly quote two crap teams to make your point.
 
Forget the other international Hockey tournaments, the only one that really matters is the Olympic tournament every four years. In my opinion there isn’t a better two week period for sport than the Winter Olympics and the epitome of those Olympics is the Ice Hockey tournament.
 
Haha also Canada owns the Olympic men’s Hockey Gold when NHLers are present and I cannot wait to see Connor McDavid lace em up for Canada!
 

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