NHL Ownership Grades (The Athletic)

Good players always had FL on their no-go lists. Most good players they drafted were happy to get out of FL the first chance they had to go to a real organization (some just wouldn’t come to begin with).
No one ever cried about FL having a great tax advantage back then :dunno:
Nowadays, according to some, it’s the biggest factor in why they are good.

I don't think that's what people are saying.

They're saying all things being equal, no state income tax is an advantage. I find it difficult to argue with that point (when all other things are equal).
 
I don't think that's what people are saying.

They're saying all things being equal, no state income tax is an advantage. I find it difficult to argue with that point (when all other things are equal).
True, but a lot of other things are also advantages. For example cost of living. I'm pretty sure it's much, much cheaper to buy a mansion in Utah than New York, Toronto etc.

The real problem with all this is that nothing in this world is equal. I mean Canadian teams have been screwed for years by the Canadian dollar being much weaker than the US dollar.
 
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True, but a lot of other things are also advantages. For example cost of living. I'm pretty sure it's much, much cheaper to buy a mansion in Utah than New York, Toronto etc.

The real problem with all this is that nothing in this world is equal. I mean Canadian teams have been screwed for years by the Canadian dollar being much weaker than the US dollar.

Good points. I don't disagree with you.
 
True, but a lot of other things are also advantages. For example cost of living. I'm pretty sure it's much, much cheaper to buy a mansion in Utah than New York, Toronto etc.

The real problem with all this is that nothing in this world is equal. I mean Canadian teams have been screwed for years by the Canadian dollar being much weaker than the US dollar.
The bolded just is not how it works. An amount of money isn't worth less just because it's in a weaker currency. You get more of that currency, after all.

One could even say that they benefit from living in Canada and using Canadian dollars while being paid in USD, right?

I hear this argument all the time and it just makes no sense.
 
The bolded just is not how it works. An amount of money isn't worth less just because it's in a weaker currency. You get more of that currency, after all.

One could even say that they benefit from living in Canada and using Canadian dollars while being paid in USD, right?

I hear this argument all the time and it just makes no sense.
How does it make no sense?

Canadian team earnings are in Canadian dollars and they pay players in American dollars. For every American dollar a team has to pay, they need to earn $1.43 Canadian.

If the cap is 100 million and you’re a cap team, you’re paying an extra 43 million dollars for your players in Canada.

American franchises are dollar in, dollar out.
Canadian franchises are dollar in + 43 cents, dollar out.
 
How are the Oilers B-… they were in Stanley cup final

+ Cup Final
- Hired best players junior coach to coach the NHL team
- Hired best players agent to be CEO of the NHL team
- Hired a controversial person involved in covering up sexual assault to be the teams GM
 
How are the Oilers B-… they were in Stanley cup final
It’s a little surprising to see the Oilers this far down the list, given they have a beautiful new building and a contending team, but Edmonton is called the city of champions for a reason. The lean years and managerial mistakes under previous front offices continue to not sit well with an educated fan base, even with their current superstar-led cast getting to within a win of a championship last season.
Fans in our survey lauded Katz’s willingness to spend (fourth best), but the Oilers finished 28th under organizational stability and 24th under treatment of the fan base, with many complaining about costs at the arena. So there’s still work to do to win over folks in the Alberta capital.
Fan perspective: “Since he has owned the Oilers, Daryl Katz has had something like seven different GMs and 11 different coaches. Unbelievable lack of organizational stability and long-term vision.”
“Katz is willing to spend but has made terrible decisions to date with management hirings. That has held the team back from winning a Cup with McDavid and Draisaitl.”
 
I don’t bitch about the owner, I just know the owner is a bitch. f*** you Terry, all that money and you’re still dumb as shit. Congrats on getting rich by f***ing up the planet tho, that’s super awesome.

Worst owner, worst human, let’s go Buffalo.


It’s funny that the two worst scores both entered the league in the same year.

Both have been cursed with trash owners
 
Right, yes.

That's why all the big NBA stars are lining up to play for the Orlando Magic, and the Jacksonville Jaguars have a dynastic grip on the NFL. Not to mention the ever-dominant Miami Marlins, a stalwart force of the MLB.
This is about the NHL, I think you've mistaken where you are.
 
As a Tampa fan I hate to give the Panthers any praise but my boys just played in a ball hockey tournament put on by the Panthers outside their arena this weekend and they went above and beyond making it a great event for the kids. The best owners not only invest in their team and players but also in the community to support and grow the fanbase.
Bums me out the caps don’t do stuff like this. No reason not to have ball hockey gear in every public school in the city.
 
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Surprised that Rangers with Dolan are not D+ or D either, considering how much internal anger there has been with Chris Drury from the players.

Also, Pegula is bad because of an itchy trigger finger when it comes to GM and coaches, then hiring horrible people to replace those positions from the horrible people who were hired previously. No offence to Adams, he seems like a nice bloke, but all the moves he has made seem to be more of the same than actually fixing the issue. Cozens will be the next wave of players rebounding outside of Buffalo, and they were rumoured to want to trade Peterka, Kulich, and Byram on top of that lol.
Please point to the coaches and GM's Pegula fired who went on to have success elsewhere. The biggest problem is hiring incompetents and then not firing them fast enough (do you really think they fired GMTM, Botts, Fail Housley, Wretched Ralph or Donnie too soon?).
 
So I guess if your team keeps trading asset to win now, like the top 3 team listed, you win! ANH over LA, bahahaha....the only worst owner in Anaheim is Arte Moreno.

Yeah, the Samuelis are such bad owners in terms of community involvement and building grassroots hockey. They are only building rinks, buying roller and existing ice rinks, and creating a high school hockey league, supporting youth roller and street hockey, including sponsoring and hosting tournaments, partnering with local primary schools to build street hockey courts at the schools and donating equipment to the schools. They are such bad owners that the kings copied their ADHSHL model. They are hands off on the hockey operations side which could be good and bad. And it's ANA, not ANH.
 
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How does it make no sense?

Canadian team earnings are in Canadian dollars and they pay players in American dollars. For every American dollar a team has to pay, they need to earn $1.43 Canadian.

If the cap is 100 million and you’re a cap team, you’re paying an extra 43 million dollars for your players in Canada.

American franchises are dollar in, dollar out.
Canadian franchises are dollar in + 43 cents, dollar out.
no doubt this is baked into shared rev

I challenge you to show me otherwise
 
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How does it make no sense?

Canadian team earnings are in Canadian dollars and they pay players in American dollars. For every American dollar a team has to pay, they need to earn $1.43 Canadian.

If the cap is 100 million and you’re a cap team, you’re paying an extra 43 million dollars for your players in Canada.

American franchises are dollar in, dollar out.
Canadian franchises are dollar in + 43 cents, dollar out.

Just to nitpick a little and slightly agree with the poster you were replying to, the purchasing power of a currency in the jurisdiction is where it's used is what determines the relative value of that currency. As an extreme example, if I moved to Zimbabwe two decades ago, I'd have been a millionaire by converting a bit of my pocket change into the local currency (which they later had to suspend as legal tender in the country due to hyperinflation - but that's a separate story). It's a much more complex situation than just looking at the exchange rate between two currencies as well. The pound sterling is "more valuable" than the US dollar in number, but that doesn't mean that countries who use the pound sterling are universally "better off" than countries who use the US dollar.
 
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Seems a little obvious and simplistic, but the last 7 Cup winners are represented by 6 of the 7 A grades, plus throw in Dallas. Everyone else is a bunch in the middle, then there's Vancouver and Buffalo. This is a fan poll, ~4000 Atlantic readers voted. So, if the team wins a Cup recently, or as recently as with the current owner, then they get A grades. Everyone else is a meh except the two teams who's fans jus that their owners for obvious reasons.

Its shocking to me that winning a championship makes fans like the ownership, and losing perpetually makes them dislike ownership. /S
 
True, but a lot of other things are also advantages. For example cost of living. I'm pretty sure it's much, much cheaper to buy a mansion in Utah than New York, Toronto etc.

The real problem with all this is that nothing in this world is equal. I mean Canadian teams have been screwed for years by the Canadian dollar being much weaker than the US dollar.
Except all NHL contracts are paid in USD, so that doesn't impact Canadian team's players.

Agree that there are a ton of factors, and nothing is equal.
 
Just to nitpick a little and slightly agree with the poster you were replying to, the purchasing power of a currency in the jurisdiction is where it's used is what determines the relative value of that currency. As an extreme example, if I moved to Zimbabwe two decades ago, I'd have been a millionaire by converting a bit of my pocket change into the local currency (which they later had to suspend as legal tender in the country due to hyperinflation - but that's a separate story). It's a much more complex situation than just looking at the exchange rate between two currencies as well. The pound sterling is "more valuable" than the US dollar in number, but that doesn't mean that countries who use the pound sterling are universally "better off" than countries who use the US dollar.
It all depends what side you look at.

For the players it’s better, for the owners it’s worse.
 
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The term generational is often abused and used too liberally, but there is no argument whatsoever against calling Terry Pegula a generationaly horrible owner. Any list of the worst owners in hockey history has to have his name at or near the top with only Ballard as competition. Pegula was a bigger failure from an on ice standard while Ballard was simply a complete failure as a human being. Regardless, nobody else (even AquaClown) is even close.
 
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