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NHL Networks top 20 Defensemen
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Chips
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You know Carlson over Heiskanen is one of those conversation starters lol.
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It's not atrocious, but Slavin should be a little higher. Homer pick there, but he's also the best defensive player in the league by many metrics and the eye test. If I'm in a playoff game, he is the first player I'd take on my team (if I include goalies I'd probably take Shesterkin or Vasi). It sounds like hyperbole, but he's in his own category defensively.
I'm not sure Burns should be so high at 20, but I can't say I've watched a lot of West Coast games.
It's hard to gauge Seider. I think he can be a top 10 defenseman, but I'm not sure he's at #11 yet. It's hard to evaluate a player on a bad defensive team.
Overall, it's a pretty good list. I gripe about a few players, but I think the majority of these players are at least top 20.
I'm not sure Burns should be so high at 20, but I can't say I've watched a lot of West Coast games.
It's hard to gauge Seider. I think he can be a top 10 defenseman, but I'm not sure he's at #11 yet. It's hard to evaluate a player on a bad defensive team.
Overall, it's a pretty good list. I gripe about a few players, but I think the majority of these players are at least top 20.
Maurice of Orange
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I’d have Carlson at #5 and he is better then Slavin IMO.
Carlson is too high here as is Burns who simply isn't a top 20 Dman and hasn't been one for the 2 seasons previous either.
Otherwise pretty decent list actually.
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That's crazy talk. Dude can't play defense
Maurice of Orange
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Carlson had a good amount of blocks last season only 9 blocks less then Slavin while putting up a truck load of points at the same time.
Carlson might not be near Slavin defensively but Slavin isn’t no where near Carlson offensively.
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Josi, Rielly, Doughty, Pietrangelo, and Burns are all ridiculously high.
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Maurice of Orange
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Josi was the leading point scorer for defenseman so he is right where he should be Rielly should be a little higher as he had a good season in 21-22, Doughty spot is debatable since he was injured for most of the season.
Pietrangelo and Burns shouldn’t even be on the top 20.
Maurice of Orange
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Moritz Seider is too high on the list, granted he won the Calder but there’s no way he’s the 11th best defender in the league.
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2 is better than one
Alexander the Gr8
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Of course he is better defensively, but there is a similar gap between them offensively.
Carlson produces twice as much, the gap between 35 points and 70-75 points as a defenseman is enormous.
Hard to argue with the top 5. The next 15 guys could be scrambled and argued in many ways.
Kris Letang at #6 is impressive. What’s even more impressive is that in 2017 the Pittsburgh Penguins won the Stanley Cup despite his absence.
Kris Letang at #6 is impressive. What’s even more impressive is that in 2017 the Pittsburgh Penguins won the Stanley Cup despite his absence.
Points aren't even a good way of judging forwards, and defensemen have a lot less control over their point totals than forwards do. Josi should not be where he is. Rielly is not that good lol. He's not a number one D.
Maurice of Orange
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Zach Werenski placing on the top 20 list could also be debated as Seth Jones, Hampus Lindblom, Thomas Chabot and even Noah Dobson could all argue a placing over Werenski.
Blocks are generally a sign that you spend a lot of time in your own zone, which is not something good players tend to do. Slavin and Carlson are both good, but this is not how I'd make this point lol.
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Josi was close to becoming the Norris Thophy winner and Rielly is a 1D
Maurice of Orange
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I mean a defensemans job is to primarily play defense, blocking shots could also show that Carlson plays on both ends of the ice and isn’t as weak defensively as some posters make Carlson out to be.
Maurice of Orange
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Do you believe Jaccob Slavin is a better player then John Carlson, or were you questioning my assessment that Carlson should be #5?
