NHL Draft - Has "tampering" even been penalized?

[NVious]

Yeah Ottawa just lost another 1st due to this thread (we know it's you Andlauer)

~Gary~

 

[SEALBound]

Precisely. Has a player tried to control their landing spot? The answer is obviously yes. Lindros is a good example of a player who was initially unsuccessful, but he certainly tried. I'm talking about a team actually working with a player to try to achieve a more favorable result for the team.

How would it be any different though? Obviously if the player is willing to "lie" to help control their landing spot, there's obviously some level of mutual interest between the team and player. What's the difference really between the team tellings them what to say and the player saying what amounts to the same thing? My point was, at the end of the day, any team in front of them can still draft them.

Because there are no established rights and each team in the draft order has the chance, I don't think it's tampering really.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

In I believe 07, John Ferguson Jr tried to sign John Tavares to the Toronto Marlies, the idea being that Tavares would skip the NHL draft and later sign with the Maple Leafs as a free agent. The details of how it would have worked are hazy for me, but I vaguely recall the AHL and CHL shooting that deal down. Does that count as tampering?

 

[Craig Ludwig]

Yes and no. I am geek when it comes to reading books by former Gms. One former Gm of a very bad team/organization said a player completely tanked an interview because he really did not want to go to that team. We are in an era right now where players may not want to go a team for different reasons and may go to great lengths to waive off a team or two

Who said that? Also, what are some of the best GM books you have read, would like to pick one up.

 

[tyhee]

I think it is pretty safe to say no team has been punished for "tampering" in the manner described in the original post for the simple reason that, as repulsive as the behaviour may be, it is not against any rule. Until a team has sole rights to the player or to negotiate with the player there is no right to be tampered with.

 

[Shark Finn]

Yeah Ottawa just lost another 1st due to this thread (we know it's you Andlauer)

~Gary~

 

[JIMVINNY]

How would it be any different though? Obviously if the player is willing to "lie" to help control their landing spot, there's obviously some level of mutual interest between the team and player. What's the difference really between the team tellings them what to say and the player saying what amounts to the same thing? My point was, at the end of the day, any team in front of them can still draft them.

Because there are no established rights and each team in the draft order has the chance, I don't think it's tampering really.

I would differentiate between the Lindros scenario and what I'm describing in that Lindros was trying to avoid a particular team, while my scenario is a player and team trying to ensure the player doesn't get selected by anyone else.

I happen to agree that it shouldn't be considered tampering, because any team can still draft that player. Quebec did, and it unequivocally worked out for them.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Ottawa will be penalized sooner or later.