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Nhl.com writers vote Mackinnon mvp for the 2nd straight year

The Jets are the best team but no one is great. Then it should be the coach....naw, we need to shine up Ovi's team for the Adam's too.

It's amazing how the Jets can be the best but also sorta suck at the same time.

Will Chevy get any recognition for top executive?
 
Regal said:
I mean being a bigger joke than a perfectly reasonable take isn’t saying much
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I'll be the first to joke my IQ competes with room temperature and my takes age like milk. But the MacKinnon MVP is mental gymnastics. Kucherov outscored his teammates by 54 points and had 100 assists. That's the crap Gretzky used to do in an average year and everyone just said "Meh. He's not the most valuable player to his team"

If Hellebuyck wins the MVP I'll be the first to congratulate the Jets fans no differently than I would say MacKinnon was robbed if last year's stats between him and Kucherov were reversed
 
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AlwaysSunnyInTampa said:
I'll be the first to joke my IQ competes with room temperature and my takes age like milk. But the MacKinnon MVP is mental gymnastics. Kucherov outscored his teammates by 54 points and had 100 assists. That's the crap Gretzky used to do in an average year and everyone just said "Meh. He's not the most valuable player to his team"

If Hellebuyck wins the MVP I'll be the first to congratulate the Jets fans no differently than I would say MacKinnon was robbed if last year's stats between him and Kucherov were reversed
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It really doesn’t. It’s mental gymnastics to believe 40 goals and 100 assists is fundamentally better than 50 goals and 90 assists, simply because 100 assists is more rare. You’re both contributing on the same number of goals and goals are arguably more valuable. And Gretzky used to have a more than 100 assists and would also lead the league in goals. It’s not comparable.

The gap between 2nd place on the team is also mental gymnastics. A team is made up of 20+ players. Kucherov had a bigger gap to 2nd place 54 to 36) and 3rd place (63 to 50). But MacKinnon had a bigger gap to 4th (84 to 68), 5th (87 to 69). All told, the 2-5 scorers on the Bolts and was higher than the 2-5 scorers on the Avs (322 points for the Bolts, 303 for the Avs). And the Avs as a whole only outscored the Bolts by less than 5% (302 to 288). So Kucherov had a point on 50% of his team’s goals and MacKinnon had a point on 46.4% of his team’s goals.

Both were hugely valuable. Kucherov was a bit more valuable relative to the team. MacKinnon was a bit better as a player (better play driver and defensive player on top of the similar production). Either would have been a fine choice for the Hart. But it’s funny that I keep seeing people claim there’s a bias against Kucherov but then those same people claim he was robbed, but you’d have to be pretty biased to believe that.
 
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TS Quint said:
The Jets are the best team but no one is great. Then it should be the coach....naw, we need to shine up Ovi's team for the Adam's too.

It's amazing how the Jets can be the best but also sorta suck at the same time.

Will Chevy get any recognition for top executive?
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Yup, if Hellebuyck doesn’t win the Hart on top of Vezina it clearly means no one thinks he’s great
 
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Based purely on points and separation between other players on the team it’s

1. Kucherov - 31 point lead, only player over 100pts
2. MacKinnon - 24 point lead, only player over 100pts (33 point lead over next forward)
3. Draisaitl - 6 point lead, team had 2 100 point players (4 more games played compared to McDavid)

Now somewhere in the mix you also have to factor in Hellebuyck.
 
It's narrative driven award. Mack was great in the 4 nations and that was the story of the season

As an Oiler fan I don't mind it. I do think Drai matched the definition of the award best but that hasn't been followed for years so there's no sense crying about it.
 
Mr Positive said:
It's narrative driven award. Mack was great in the 4 nations and that was the story of the season

As an Oiler fan I don't mind it. I do think Drai matched the definition of the award best but that hasn't been followed for years so there's no sense crying about it.
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I actually didn’t think any of canadas big guys were great lol. Mack, Sid, and Mcdavid all looked fine but not amazing. I probably go with Sid as the best of them for that tournament.

Drai deserves it this year imo as well.
 
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GlitchMarner said:
To be honest, there isn't really an obvious winner this year.

MacKinnon started off on fire but slowed down somewhat. He wasn't as good as he was last year and it seems many think Makar was more valuable to the Avalanche than MacKinnon this season.

Last season, people used Kucherov's empty net points against him and people thought MacKinnon drove play better. This season, MacKinnon has a lot of EN points and more than Kucherov. I don't see the argument for him over NK86 this year. But Kucherov's season hasn't really "felt" like a Hart season, either (maybe it kind of flew under the radar until he got hot late in the season and was suddenly first in scoring).

I don't think you can give it to Draisaitl with all those missed games. For the most part, he was better than McDavid this season, but McDavid did end up matching him in points per game and had almost as many points.

I might go with Hellebuyck this year.
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Draisaitl carried the Oilers this year, it wasn't for the most part, it was nearly entirely, even in stretches when McDavid was in the lineup.

And despite missing that many games Drai still led the league in goals by a good margin, and we all know if his linemates were Point and Guentzel or Rantanen/Necas and Lehkonen as opposed to Podkolzin and Skinner/Arvidsson that he would have had many more assists.

I agree that Hellebuyck is a reasonable choice.
 
Spirits said:
+/-, the last bastion of a guy reaching.

4-2 is the stat that matters.
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Last year everyone was pointing to Kucherov and Mack's plus minus bc Kuch was only a +8 with 144 points. Just another example of goalpost moving. But I will grant you that I would not use that series as a pro-Kucherov talking point.
 
Spirits said:
+/-, the last bastion of a guy reaching.

4-2 is the stat that matters.
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Yes the avalanche beat a team that had won the cup the prior two seasons and lost some key depth pieces due to the cap. Also had one of their best players injured.
It would have been interesting though if that bogus Kadri too many men OT goal was called the penalty it should have been.
Anyways, no doubt the deeper, better team won that finals as they should have.
 
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