Nhl.com writers vote Mackinnon mvp for the 2nd straight year

[Bank Shot]

His lead over Draisaitl mainly consists of empty net points. Draisaitl also has scored 20 more goals.

The big reasons they gave the Hart to MacKinnon over Kucherov last season won't factor at all now that they are going against Mackinnon.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Art Ross for Kucherov
Rocket for Leon
Hart for Nathan

Everyone gets a trophy, seems fair to me

 

[daver]

Not surprised given Kucherov's no-show at the Four Nations.

 

[Master P]

I mean the bias is obvious. I remember reading this in a TSN ranking halfway through last season.

It's almost comical.

 

[Zerotonine]

It’s always been Mac, Kuch and Helly down the stretch. Just curious in which order

what a surprise you left out Draisaitl, who would of thought you of all people would leave out an oiler

 

[Zerotonine]

hes the 2nd best player in hockey, nothing like Toews

Lol he is the second best on his team maybe

 

[budaj guy]

Hopefully these two clubs meet in the Cup Final and the players can show what they have, head to head, when it’s for all the marbles.

Did that in 2022…we know how that ended

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Lol he is the second best on his team maybe

Unserious take

 

[Master P]

Lol

 

[RDTBay4]

Today I learned that Kucherov could have scored more points, but he wanted to show mercy to the bad teams

He plays limited minutes at the end of the game in blow outs.

 

[killa3312]

Did that in 2022…we know how that ended

Kucherov was a +3 in that series while MacKinnon was -1. Colorado just had the better, deeper team that season.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

Kucherov was a +3 in that series while MacKinnon was -1. Colorado just had the better, deeper team that season.

Less injured

 

[killa3312]

Less injured

That too. Point being out definitely hurt them in that series.

 

[Miller Time]

Kucherov deserved it over Mac imo...

Frankly I'd also put Makar, Helleybuck, Drsisatl & McDavif ahead

 

[Hockey Outsider]

delete - I'm moving this to the correct thread

 

[Lemonlimey]

funny if Mack wins, as I think *this* one might be the make up call, following the 2018 debacle where it went to Taylor Hall.

last year…..deserved. a lindsay always helps drive it home for everyone.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Lol of course they did

 

[Luc Labelle]

I’m confused about Hellebuyck being in the conversation given he is not blowing other goalies out of the water.

Hellebuyck
- Number 1 in wins, 47 to 38 = 24% greater than the runner-up
- Number 1 in goals saved above expected, 39.6 to 29.2, 36% greater than the runner-up
- Number 1 in shutouts, 8 to 6, 33% greater than runner-up
- Number 1 in goals against average, 2.00 to 2.02, almost even here
- Number 2 in save %, .925 to .926, almost even here except .926 on 955 shots vs Hellebuyck's 1664

Seems to me Hellebuyck is blowing other goalies out of the water and is best in almost every major category.

As far as the forwards in contention, I guess none of them deserve the Hart as they are not blowing others out of the water.
Kucherov has 4.3% greater points than MacKinnon
Kucherov has 5.6% greater points per game than than MacKinnon and only 3.9% better than Draisaitl, McDavid

 

[Crossfire Hurricane]

That too. Point being out definitely hurt them in that series.

Probably not as much as Darcy Kuemper's right eye being out hurt the Avs.

 

[psycat]

Hart voters do love the guy.

Assuming he finishes top three this year, he'll have finishes of 1, 2, 2, 3, 5, 6 and 1, 2 or 3 this year.

That's a better Hart record than guys like Trottier, Bossy, Sakic, Yzerman, Forsberg.

Even Ovechkin only has five top three Hart placements.

Well Ovechkin got a three year peak at most so that seems generous.

 

[psycat]

Lost last year in a razer thin battle for it and I think he deserved it last year too. Starting to feel like the North American bias is in effect should he lose again. Guy keeps winning Ross's and gets disrespected.

Suppose he is well and truly on Jagrs level in that regard.

 

[Toby91ca]

...but NORTH AMERICAN.

Don't get me wrong, I'm always rooting for Canada, but this votes should be more well-rounded.

Strange response to him not being the best on his own team when the guy being referenced is also Canadian. Personally, I think MacKinnon is and has been the better player on his team this year. I think Makar has been the best defenseman, but watching the couple games at the end of the season when Mack rested, totally different viewing experience.

Does that mean I think Mack should be the Hart winner? No, not necessarily, but I really don’t see an obvious choice this year. I wouldn’t get too hung up on the NHL.com voting results though. My son was reading them off to me, can’t remember some of the bizarre voting from other awards, but OV got a first place vote for the Hart. Come on! I am fine with him getting some love, but your first place vote goes to him?

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

Giving Mack the MVP over Hellebuyck might be an even bigger f***ing joke than giving it to him over Kucherov last year. If Kucherov doesn't win it, I won't be the slightest bit offended if Hellebuyck did

 

[Regal]

Giving Mack the MVP over Hellebuyck might be an even bigger f***ing joke than giving it to him over Kucherov last year. If Kucherov doesn't win it, I won't be the slightest bit offended if Hellebuyck did

I mean being a bigger joke than a perfectly reasonable take isn’t saying much

 

[NatusVincere]

Suppose he is well and truly on Jagrs level in that regard.

And like Jagr he will only get his deserved glory long after he has left the league. Smart kids will notice how he outscored everyone (not named McDavid) left and right and will add 1 and 1 together… Some grandpas somewhere from the Rocky Mountains will tell them they don’t know puck but they will rightfully not care.