Teams have to win consistently to draw fans on that basis, and they also have to not be in the midst of big ownership troubles or a possible move. It's just common sense- who wants to become a fan of a team that might soon be moving?
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Nashville doesn't sell well at the start of the season because of the Titans, and we probably never will, the Titans are out of the playoffs, and attendance will be up AGAIN in the second half of the season, just like last year when we didn't sell during football season, or the year before that during football season.
"Continues" to decline? You do not have a grasp of the facts.
Attendance over recent years, starting after the lockout:
14,428 (UP 1,260 per game from before the lockout)
15,259
14,910 (the year of Balsillie)
15,010
As noted above, the NASH attendance history is such that it is really only viable to compare them at equal points of the season (due to the annual spike in attendance as winter progresses).
Why do you make erroneous factual assertions so consistently based on old cliches, when the data is is so readily available?
Excuse after excuse!They are a very good winning team and have been.
How is an excuse? I'd call it a fact, we don't sell well during football season, it's always like this and will probably be like this for a while. Every second half of every year we sell considerably more then during the first half of the year.
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I am not sure what this is intended to be an excuse for. It is simply a pattern in the attendance that is likley a fact of life for the Preds. People don't focus on hockey until after football is essentailly over.Excuse after excuse!
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Excuse after excuse!
They didn't make the playoffs last year.
looks like another successful saturday everywhere outside long island
Atlanta @ NYI: 12,824
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020615.HTM
Vancouver @ Dallas: 17,059
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020612.HTM
Pittsburgh @ Tampa Bay: 20,109 SO
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020613.HTM
Washington @ Los Angeles: 18,118 SO
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020614.HTM
Colorado @ Columbus: 17,371
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020616.HTM
Chicago @ St. Louis: 19,150 SO
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020618.HTM
Anaheim @ Nashville: 16,654
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020619.HTM
Detroit @ Phoenix: 17,125
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020621.HTM
left off MN, calgary, SJ, and NYR because there i think we already know how they did.
Atlanta @ NYI: 12,824
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020615.HTM
Vancouver @ Dallas: 17,059
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020612.HTM
Pittsburgh @ Tampa Bay: 20,109 SO
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020613.HTM
Washington @ Los Angeles: 18,118 SO
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020614.HTM
Colorado @ Columbus: 17,371
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020616.HTM
Chicago @ St. Louis: 19,150 SO
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020618.HTM
Anaheim @ Nashville: 16,654
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020619.HTM
Detroit @ Phoenix: 17,125
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20092010/GS020621.HTM
left off MN, calgary, SJ, and NYR because there i think we already know how they did.
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Long Island is the next Phoenix. It's going to be a busy summer for Gary.
Doesn't this attendance thing happen every year?
October-good
November-bad
Beginning of December-bad
end of December-good
Janurary, February-good
March-mixed
April-mixed
I think attendance has acted pretty normally so far. No?
Doesn't this attendance thing happen every year?
October-good
November-bad
Beginning of December-bad
end of December-good
Janurary, February-good
March-mixed
April-mixed
I think attendance has acted pretty normally so far. No?
i think there are two big differences between long island and phoenix. one is history, which long island has oodles of. the next would be john tavares, a face you can put on the franchise. yes, phoenix has doan, but tavares' skill set is extremely high and he could very easily end up an elite player, a crosby or ovechkin. and i think the people of long island know this, and that's why they had, what, 12K people on draft night?
Yeah, I remember the Bills doing that to the Sabres in the 90s. NFL will always be king in a US city with both a NFL and NHL franchise. Best thing for the NHL team is to make sure to try and get a lot of early road games with Friday/Saturday night home games.
Although I will admit my favorite times at games was going to a Bills game during the day and the Sabres having a night game. during the early 90s with Kelly,Thomas, Reed, Smith then Lafontiane, Andreychuck, Mogilny, Hawerchuk. Talk about fun times.
TB's attendance and Floridas attendance today are skewed. The steelers play in miami, a ton of people have planned trips and go to all the games, pens @ tb, steelers @ dolphins, then right after pens @ panthers.
There were let's go pens chants audible on TV throughout the game yesterday.
There were let's go pens chants audible on TV throughout the game yesterday.
I don't think this is the only time. Hence the games of the Habs vs TB and Panthers on the 30th and 31st of December
Tampa Bay 12/30/09 - Fans were around 50/50 from both teams over 18k fans
Please see at 2:46
Also a better example see from 5:40 till 6:00 minute mark
Panthers 12/31/09 - This was around 70% Habs fans, 30% Panthers - Sellout
Great view of the crowd at 5:15 when Bergeron scores
But no matter, it still shows there are a ton of Hockey fans out there and those numbers count for the local attendance giving it a boost.
Michigan is a net exporter of hockey fans, thanks to having very good schools and a very poor economy.....
The Phoenix game was very well attended by Wings fans, but it seems many of them just change jerseys for this event.
Seems this happens in many markets, including Colorado, California and Florida. (Although in FL, it's the old farts.)
The Phoenix game was very well attended by Wings fans, but it seems many of them just change jerseys for this event.
Seems this happens in many markets, including Colorado, California and Florida. (Although in FL, it's the old farts.)
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Maybe Atlanta, Tampa, Florida and Pheonix should be in a division with Canadian teams (especially Montreal and Toronto) and a few Northern US teams like Detroit so they can fill their arena more often. Hell, maybe they should only play those teams at home and noone else.
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Saying that the Predators don't draw well when the Titans season is ongoing does nothing but prove that it isn't a good hockey market.
I have always maintained that to be a stable hockey market attendance should be a minimum of 15,000. If you are drawing below that (consistently) you are in trouble...regardless of why (losing team, economy, ownership, etc.).
When you are winning, the economy is good, Ownership is stable....all that jazz...you should be soldout in a good hockey market. So when some or all of those factors aren't met....if it is a good hockey market....you will average 15,000 or so. Realizing this is somewhat simplified because ticket prices come into play.
Look at the cellar dwellers of attendance so far...all under 15k average:
23. Anaheim 24. Miami 25. Carolina 26. Nashville 27. Denver 28. Atlanta 29. Long Island 30. Phoenix
I see something in common with 6 of those 8. Long Island has a dump of an arena and a current Owner that is openly entertaining the idea of moving the team. Denver....no idea what their deal is. Solid team, nice rink, stable ownership....it needs to be noted that this is a new trend there though. Prior to, and just after, the lockout the Avalanche were averaging sellouts. This is seemingly only the 2nd year of shakey attendance, while the other teams on that list have long histories of attendance woes.
Phoenix can use the Ownership card a bit....they are in the hands of the NHL and there is a group trying to purchase them to keep them where they are, if anything that should entice fans to support the team to guarantee it doesn't relocate. Regardless...drawing under 8,500 is unacceptable under ANY circumstances. The few good crowds they do get, I'm sure there are ticket promotions for those games...even though their tickets are dirt cheap to begin with. So they have an exciting and successful team, a lovely arena, dirt cheap tickets...and potential Owners who will keep the team in Glendale....and they still have nights of below 9,000 fans.
I have always maintained that to be a stable hockey market attendance should be a minimum of 15,000. If you are drawing below that (consistently) you are in trouble...regardless of why (losing team, economy, ownership, etc.).
When you are winning, the economy is good, Ownership is stable....all that jazz...you should be soldout in a good hockey market. So when some or all of those factors aren't met....if it is a good hockey market....you will average 15,000 or so. Realizing this is somewhat simplified because ticket prices come into play.
Look at the cellar dwellers of attendance so far...all under 15k average:
23. Anaheim 24. Miami 25. Carolina 26. Nashville 27. Denver 28. Atlanta 29. Long Island 30. Phoenix
I see something in common with 6 of those 8. Long Island has a dump of an arena and a current Owner that is openly entertaining the idea of moving the team. Denver....no idea what their deal is. Solid team, nice rink, stable ownership....it needs to be noted that this is a new trend there though. Prior to, and just after, the lockout the Avalanche were averaging sellouts. This is seemingly only the 2nd year of shakey attendance, while the other teams on that list have long histories of attendance woes.
Phoenix can use the Ownership card a bit....they are in the hands of the NHL and there is a group trying to purchase them to keep them where they are, if anything that should entice fans to support the team to guarantee it doesn't relocate. Regardless...drawing under 8,500 is unacceptable under ANY circumstances. The few good crowds they do get, I'm sure there are ticket promotions for those games...even though their tickets are dirt cheap to begin with. So they have an exciting and successful team, a lovely arena, dirt cheap tickets...and potential Owners who will keep the team in Glendale....and they still have nights of below 9,000 fans.
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Michigan is a net exporter of hockey fans, thanks to having very good schools and a very poor economy.....
The Phoenix game was very well attended by Wings fans, but it seems many of them just change jerseys for this event.
Seems this happens in many markets, including Colorado, California and Florida. (Although in FL, it's the old farts.)
Can certainly vouch for that. Spoke to as many as I could last night and that was the majority consensus. There were also quite a few Wings fans in town for the Packers-Cardinals game today.
It also seems more-and-more of the locals who typically only show when their teams are in town are starting to come to other games. Talked to eight last night who said they bought mini-season packs in the last couple of weeks because of the way the Coyotes have been playing.
One curious thing: while most explained they were born and raised in Detroit, and they remain loyal to their hometown team, when the topic came to football most said they were Packers fans. Only two of the ~30 said they were Lions fans. But at least most admitted they gave up on the Lions because they have sucked for as long as any of them can remember.
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Oops. With all the good attendances numbers did someone missed this?
Only 12,472 on New Year's eve in Glendale versus the first place Sharks?
http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2009020602
Keep in mind the Coyotes are now one of the top teams in the league.
1. * Chicago 42 61
2. * San Jose 42 61
3. * Colorado 43 54
4. Phoenix 43 54
5. Calgary 41 53
6. Nashville 42 53
7. Vancouver 42 51
8. Los Angeles 42 51
9. Detroit 41 48
10. Dallas 41 47
11. Minnesota 42 43
12. St. Louis 41 40
13. Anaheim 42 39
14. Columbus 43 39
15. Edmonton 42 36
* = Division Leader
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Only 12,472 on New Year's eve in Glendale versus the first place Sharks?
http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2009020602
Keep in mind the Coyotes are now one of the top teams in the league.
1. * Chicago 42 61
2. * San Jose 42 61
3. * Colorado 43 54
4. Phoenix 43 54
5. Calgary 41 53
6. Nashville 42 53
7. Vancouver 42 51
8. Los Angeles 42 51
9. Detroit 41 48
10. Dallas 41 47
11. Minnesota 42 43
12. St. Louis 41 40
13. Anaheim 42 39
14. Columbus 43 39
15. Edmonton 42 36
* = Division Leader
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To say the least. 15K is not the same in St Louis as it is in Denver... not when the cheapest lower level season ticket in St Louis is $31, and the cheapest lower level season ticket in Denver is $85. 15K is not the same in Minnesota as it is in Denver... not when my upper-level $62 season tickets in Denver would cost me only $38 in Minnesota.
It's been explained multiple times, by multiple people, in detail, on this board... including in the very thread in which you are posting.
That game doesn't help his agenda so there was no point in mentioning it. lol
Considering they were in the mid single thousands of people on average for a while and now breaking 10k, I'd say it's getting better and will get better on average the more the Coyotes keep up the good work on the ice.
did the NFL cardinals make the playoffs?
that will affect tix.
also ..christmas season many get tix for gifts.
but yes they are improving A LOT.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/pu...attendance-problems-at-world-j?urn=nhl,211851
Puck Daddy looks at the attendance issues at WJC tournament.
Thinks 15k stadium could be too large for 240k market, presales had issues, high ticket prices ($114 for nosebleeds three rows from back of stadium).
Puck Daddy looks at the attendance issues at WJC tournament.
Thinks 15k stadium could be too large for 240k market, presales had issues, high ticket prices ($114 for nosebleeds three rows from back of stadium).
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