News Article: NHL and Rogers agree to new 12-year deal

[frightenedinmatenum2]

its called IPTV

When Netflix first started streaming, it was this amazing value because it was $10 and we were still in the era where seasons of TV shows were extremely expensive.

So the selling point was always that it was a better value than cable.

Now there are multiple streaming products that cost $30 each, and it is convoluted to subscribe to everything and just as expensive as cable always was. The joke was about how someone should invent cable to solve that problem, but it was already invented and it is ironic because streaming was meant to solve the problem of cable being too expensive and a poor value proposition.

 

[Micklebot]

The fragmented media provider landscape is more of a nuisance than cost issue for me...

 

[Big Muddy]

No Im in the Yukon, so I need the out of market hockey package. For about 25 years Ive had center ice or now the Sportsnet Premium sub for all Ottawa games. With Prime getting a couple games this year, I was able to just use free first month prime offers for those few games, but dont sub to Prime otherwise.

Im just bitching. I watch the Lakers too, and recently when trying to figure out how to watch all their games and not rely on free streams as much, I was faced with needing 3 paid subs for I think $65/month total. Needless to say I didnt do it and rely on other means to watch anything not on Sportsnet Premium. But its not the money for me so much, these arent large costs, I just hate being forced into it and dont like supporting it.

Im also probably in the minority about their coverage too. Its all the same to me whether Rogers or Amazon because I dont want to watch any "coverage" or analysis, I just skip to puck drop and only watch the 60 mins of game time typically.

Ya, me too. I use ESPN+ for most of the games. But, for a few games, I have to go to Madison Square Garden channels (MSG 1 & MSG2), TBS/TNT and even NHL Network games (those last 4 are on cable). The MSG channels are necessary when the Senators play NYR/NJD/NYI/Buffalo.

To watch your favourite team, its gotten so fractured. It's a pain. As long as the corporate overlords are making money, no one cares about the consumer.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Rogers’ production seems seems so soulless and dull.

Remember when CBC gave us stuff like this?

 

[jbeck5]

When Netflix first started streaming, it was this amazing value because it was $10 and we were still in the era where seasons of TV shows were extremely expensive.

So the selling point was always that it was a better value than cable.

Now there are multiple streaming products that cost $30 each, and it is convoluted to subscribe to everything and just as expensive as cable always was. The joke was about how someone should invent cable to solve that problem, but it was already invented and it is ironic because streaming was meant to solve the problem of cable being too expensive and a poor value proposition.

I think streaming was never meant to be cheaper, logically, but just allows people to watch much broader content.

I do agree there was a golden era was Netflix was cheap and had almost everything...now most stuff I want to watch isn't on Netflix.

But i think the main advantage was never meant to be the price, but rather the "on demand" capabilities...I'm surprised it isn't already made like that on cable to be honest.

I thought by 2025, Sportsnet or TSN wouldn't need multiple channels, but you would rather go to the TSN channel and it would be like an app where you choose what you want to watch, giving you choices of basically any sports...like a Netflix of sports)

They already had this for years with Rogers...where rather than have different channels playing random movies, you could just go to channel 300 and choose from 100s of movies or shows...

I never saw the future of TV as being super cheap, but rather of being able to watch whatever I want when I want...problem is, most stuff you still need to rent even if you subscribe to the app.

I'll always think "oh I want to watch this movie I haven't seen in a decade" and I'll speak the title into my remote...gives me 8 options to watch and all of them ask me to rent or subscribe further up.

I hate the idea of paying for a subscription to an app so you can pay them to rent movies...That's double dipping. No thank you.

 

[Masked]

With all these different streaming apps, someone should create a company where they pay each app a fee to carry them. Then they can bundle all the apps together and just charge you one fee for everything all together.

Prime is sort of doing that. You can subscribe to most services directly through them. But there's no one fee. Everything is an extra fee.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Ya, me too. I use ESPN+ for most of the games. But, for a few games, I have to go to Madison Square Garden channels (MSG 1 & MSG2), TBS/TNT and even NHL Network games (those last 4 are on cable). The MSG channels are necessary when the Senators play NYR/NJD/NYI/Buffalo.

To watch your favourite team, its gotten so fractured. It's a pain. As long as the corporate overlords are making money, no one cares about the consumer.

Ya, see that is just ridiculous to have to navigate so many for one product. I grew up on Center Ice. Go to the applicable channel and boom.

But you said it. They don't care as long as they're maximizing revenue.

The delivery methods are at least a benefit nowadays though, I'll give them that. Things like being able to watch on my phone say while my kid does swim lessons, or cart my tablet around while I putz around the house is a pretty big benefit.

 

[Micklebot]

When Netflix first started streaming, it was this amazing value because it was $10 and we were still in the era where seasons of TV shows were extremely expensive.

So the selling point was always that it was a better value than cable.

Now there are multiple streaming products that cost $30 each, and it is convoluted to subscribe to everything and just as expensive as cable always was. The joke was about how someone should invent cable to solve that problem, but it was already invented and it is ironic because streaming was meant to solve the problem of cable being too expensive and a poor value proposition.

Most of the streaming options offer an ad supported version,

Crave is $10 a month with ads, $15-22 without
Netflix is $8 with ads,19-24 without
Disney+ is $9 with ads, $13-16 without.

I find there is one or two shows I want to watch on each service, ads haven't been obtrusive, generally a min or two before the stream starts or between episodes. I barely notice them. With the free services like Pluto, they seem to be randomly added mid show though, at least last time I watched one.

Having grown up accustomed to TV commercials, I really don't mind them, only annoyance is they seem to crank up the volume for ads...

 

[Big Muddy]

Ya, see that is just ridiculous to have to navigate so many for one product. I grew up on Center Ice. Go to the applicable channel and boom.

But you said it. They don't care as long as they're maximizing revenue.

The delivery methods are at least a benefit nowadays though, I'll give them that. Things like being able to watch on my phone say while my kid does swim lessons, or cart my tablet around while I putz around the house is a pretty big benefit.

I had Center Ice for years as well. It wasn’t offered in Texas when I moved there. That’s when I became an ESPN+ customer (well NHLTV.com initially, then ESPN+).

Except for hockey, I don’t watch much TV. I read and play my guitar instead (not simulatenously) I get the books from the library which is nearby and costs nothing. Reading has displaced time that I used to spend watching TV.

 

[Micklebot]

Except for hockey, I don’t watch much TV. I read and play my guitar instead. I get the books from the library which is nearby and costs nothing.

I mostly play guitar while watching tv... can't imagine trying to play guitar while I read, turning the page seems like a bit of a nightmare...

 

[bicboi64]

I mostly play guitar while watching tv... can't imagine trying to play guitar while I read, turning the page seems like a bit of a nightmare...

Playing guitar while watching tv is what got me into watching games without needing play by play lol, I conveniently started that the last time the Sens made the ECF

 

[Big Muddy]

I mostly play guitar while watching tv... can't imagine trying to play guitar while I read, turning the page seems like a bit of a nightmare...

Oh, I think I created a false impression. I don’t play guitar & read simultaneously. I do them separately. I was just making the point that reading has displaced time that I used to spend watching TV.

I wonder if a musician type thread might be something? Although, I think the kind of music I play is probably not going to be popular or generate much interest.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I had Center Ice for years as well. It wasn’t offered in Texas when I moved there. That’s when I became an ESPN+ customer (well NHLTV.com initially, then ESPN+).

Except for hockey, I don’t watch much TV. I read and play my guitar instead (not simulatenously) I get the books from the library which is nearby and costs nothing. Reading has displaced time that I used to spend watching TV.

Ya the US would be a whole different ball game with different providers. Back in the day I used to do both the Center Ice on TV, and the NHL's online streaming version, but the online one gave me fits and I gave up on it.

I mostly play guitar while watching tv... can't imagine trying to play guitar while I read, turning the page seems like a bit of a nightmare...

I have a 65" TV right beside my 85" TV, so that I can play a video game while watching a game, or watch 2 games at once. I like to pretend I'm actually capable of doing both at once lol.

 

[thinkwild]

It would never happen, but I'd love it if they offered a compressed 60 minute replay of 100% puck drop action only. I'd pay more for that product.

Back before the internet, i was travelling during the nfl playoffs, but i couldnt get any of the american stations to watch it. But some country had made a recording of each game that fit in a one hour time slot. Was pretty cool to watch it that way as I could catch up on the whole game quickly. Usually a few days after it was played. But i did start to notice i kinda missed a lot of the set up talk for each play and stuff. But for sure, watching games on a pvr where i can forward quickly through commercials and anthems is great. I can start watching about 20 minutes late but have to be careful if following along here when i do that so that i dont read too far ahead and get spoilers

A lot of us guitar players in here Could do a We are the Sens World song for charity lol

 

[Micklebot]

Oh, I think I created a false impression. I don’t play guitar & read simultaneously. I do them separately. I was just making the point that reading has displaced time that I used to spend watching TV.

I wonder if a musician type thread might be something? Although, I think the kind of music I play is probably not going to be popular or generate much interest.

I got what you meant, I was just trying to be drole...

A Musician thread might be a little too niche for a hockey forum, you're more than welcome to post stuff in the OT lounge and if it gains enough traction we can move it to a standalone thread.

 

[Big Muddy]

1. I got what you meant, I was just trying to be drole...

A Musician thread might be a little too niche for a hockey forum, you're more than welcome to post stuff in the OT lounge and if it gains enough traction we can move it to a standalone thread.

1. Ooof. I guess I missed it.

2. It was just an idea. I think the musical things that interest me wouldn’t be of much interest to many.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Glad Sens have TSN for regional games.

 

[Micklebot]

It was just an idea. I think the musical things that interest me wouldn’t be of much interest to many.

Like I said, feel free to post about it in the lounge, plenty of guitarists out there so you'll likely find one or two that have similar interests (unless you're doing microtonal stuff, that shit is straight up weird.... I kid, but maybe not....)


Edit, you know what, let's have a music thread

OT: Thread 'All purpose Music thread'

Tuesday at 6:58 PM

It's what the title says

Post about:

1. what you're listening to,
2. What concerts your going or went to
3. What instruments and styles you play or gear your interested in
4. Links to music related YouTube feeds you think others might find interesting,
5. Ect.

Every music related goes, it's kind of like the food thread except instead of feeding your hunger, it feeds your soul.

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[Cosmix]

Holy cow. Double the current agreement. Its not uncommon for someone to negotiate exclusive negotiating windows. But its amazing they can justify that much. I was thinking that rogers was getting phased out and wouldnt be able to afford that against the streaming platforms. Must be some fascinating boardroom battles over this. So amazon not going to be a big thing then perhaps. But i guess this explains the big cap jumps coming.

Rogers might have sold some Monday Night games to Amazon; it might be part of the reason the price is doubling.

 

[Stutzlaaaa]

MM classic NHl Money over quality of broadcast, SN/Rogers has the technology and infrastructure but they Media Panel suck ass

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

An interesting idea that Rogers could sell some of their games to Amazon similar to how Sens fans sell their leaf tickets to recoup the huge cost they paid out.

But surely now we are well past the point of calling it a gate driven league. I cant imagine gate revenues make up the majority of revenues anymore. Which should be a good thing for small markets

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Historically, the National Hockey League (NHL) has derived a significant portion of its revenue from ticket sales. In the 2023 season, approximately 44% of the league's revenue was generated from ticket sales. The Hockey Writers

However, the NHL's revenue streams are diversified across several categories:

• Broadcasting: In the 2023 season, broadcasting revenue accounted for $2.2 billion, representing 42% of the league's total revenue. Gujrot
• Sponsorship: Sponsorship deals contributed $1.5 billion, making up 29% of the total revenue. Gujrot
• Ticket Sales: As mentioned, ticket sales provided $800 million, which is 15% of the total revenue. Gujrot
• Licensing: Licensing agreements brought in $400 million, accounting for 8% of the revenue. Gujrot
• Concessions: Revenue from concessions, including parking and food sales, totaled $300 million, representing 6% of the total revenue. Gujrot

These figures illustrate the NHL's evolving revenue model, with a substantial shift from traditional ticket sales to diversified income sources, including broadcasting and sponsorships. AS USA

Sources

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

For what it is worth, the AirBNB I stay in Floridia, this year, has a ROKU TV, so when I scrolled through the menu and saw ESPN, I found I could get all the NHL games, either the home or away broadcasts and the start from beginning feature as well…. No sign in ( to use your own account) required…… also found that previous tenants had left their account sign in credentials for Peacock, and Amazon.. so was able to catch up on Yellowstone and Clarksons Farm.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

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[Golden_Jet]

Rogers might have sold some Monday Night games to Amazon; it might be part of the reason the price is doubling.

Dreger said on insider trading, there is still one day available on the national deal, that hasn’t been sold.

There is still a French deal to negotiate nationally.

 

[jbeck5]

Ya the US would be a whole different ball game with different providers. Back in the day I used to do both the Center Ice on TV, and the NHL's online streaming version, but the online one gave me fits and I gave up on it.

I have a 65" TV right beside my 85" TV, so that I can play a video game while watching a game, or watch 2 games at once. I like to pretend I'm actually capable of doing both at once lol.

This is what I used to do when I was single. My bedroom would have 2 TVs side by side so I can watch tv or hockey games while playing video games.

Nothing was better than a Saturday little wake and bake and playing Forza while a documentary plays..easy to listen to documentaries while racing.

Now our best tv is in the living room...so I almost don't want to watch games anywhere else...wife won't allow 2 TVs side by side as it would be an eye sore...so I guess I wait until I can buy 2 better TVs for the man cave?