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GatorMike said:


Starting to feel like the first three picks are coming into focus:

1. Tennessee - Cam Ward, QB, Miami
2. Cleveland - Abdul Carter, EDGE, Penn State
3. NY Giants - Travis Hunter, CB/WR, Colorado
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If that happens trade. They don't even have to worry about "crazy good value." Just a good trade is still better than picking 4th. They need help everywhere, so more picks the better.
 
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I could see New Orleans looking to trade up from 9 into 4 spot to take Sanders. Carr isn’t the long term answer there. Pats still have a good shot at a Membou Campbell or Banks there.

Raiders and Jets at 6-7 would have to imagine they’d take a swing at Sanders if he were available at their slots.
 
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EverettMike said:
Do you really think there won't be at least two teams who want Sanders?

That's all you need to trade back. Just two teams who both want him.
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I think it's possible that multiple teams could want Sanders.

But I think that if a team wants to move up to draft him, they'd be looking to move up to the #6-#8 range. I don't think they'd feel like they need to get to #4 because neither New England nor Jacksonville is going to pick him.

Slight chance a team like Carolina might be interested in moving up to #4 to get Mason Graham ahead of Jacksonville.
 
GatorMike said:
Again, it's great to say "trade down" in a vacuum, but in order to trade down, there has to be someone who wants to trade up.

Who is worth moving up for?
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I've been looking through it myself, and I think the only player where it would make sense to specifically want to move to 4 (vs. 5 or 6) is Mason Graham, and that's based on a combination of things.

Yes, teams trade up for specific players, but it's often due to a drop off in talent at the position and teams picking ahead of you likely being interested in drafting that position.

Given that, you start to look at options and you get an idea.

QB: It's been reported that teams don't feel there's much of a difference between Sanders and Dart. Jags and Raiders aren't taking a QB, so you could move up to either spot instead.

RB: Lacks positional value and strong class.

WR: While most seem to take Tet over Golden, I don't think there's enough difference in the consensus.

TE: Lacks positional value and Loveland is a quality TE2 in this draft.

OT: Yes, there's G vs. T questions and LT vs. RT questions with Campbell and Membou, but there's been a debate who's better.

EDGE: EDGE2 after Carter very much seems up in the air, and the drop off to EDGE3 is likely small.

CB: There remains an argument whether Johnson or Barron is CB2 (or CB1 if you view Hunter as a WR).

That leads us to DT, where it feels like there's the largest drop off between DT1 (Graham) and DT2 (Grant or Nolen). You've also got the Jags in need of a DT, and when you look at mock drafts, he seems to be overwhelmingly mocked at 5.
 
GatorMike said:
I think it's possible that multiple teams could want Sanders.

But I think that if a team wants to move up to draft him, they'd be looking to move up to the #6-#8 range. I don't think they'd feel like they need to get to #4 because neither New England nor Jacksonville is going to pick him.

Slight chance a team like Carolina might be interested in moving up to #4 to get Mason Graham ahead of Jacksonville.
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If teams want Sanders they'll vie for the first spot that is being made available.

It's not like there's some sort of amazing top 5.
 
I think the best argument for getting good value from a trade down is likely PIT. They're the team most desperate for a QB this year and they have the uncertainty of drafting too low to be in position for one in a typical year. But you have to accept that means moving down to #21. I'd assume it would take next year's 1st to move up that far, so then you're also gambling on where that lands. That may be perfectly fine, given how flat the talent seems for most of the 1st, but if there's a run on OTs, WRs, and EDGE, you could be in a tough spot.
 
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In 2024 we watched as Atlanta drafted Penix 8th overall AFTER signing Kirk Cousins to a 4 year 180 million dollar deal. Minnesota traded up to select JJ McCarthy at #10 when he was projected to go later than that. Denver took Nix at #12, he was projected to go late 1st round. Those 3 QB selections alone caught many “draft experts” off guard.

The Raiders have yet to sign Geno Smith. He’s reportedly asking for $50m per. News recently broke that Derek Carr requested a trade a month ago. New Orleans is rumored to be looking for a solution at QB. Justin Fields is on team #3 and he’s a bag of magic beans. I’d argue all three of the Jets Saints Raiders would consider Shedur Sanders. I’m personally not a fan of his but teams are always salivating for QB solution at the top of the draft. Seeing the success Nix had, Penix showed flashes.. I’d say there almost no chance Sanders makes it past 6 or 7.
 
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Oates2Neely said:
In 2024 we watched as Atlanta drafted Penix 8th overall AFTER signing Kirk Cousins to a 4 year 180 million dollar deal. Minnesota traded up to select JJ McCarthy at #10 when he was projected to go later than that. Denver took Nix at #12, he was projected to go late 1st round. Those 3 QB selections alone caught many “draft experts” off guard.

The Raiders have yet to sign Geno Smith. He’s reportedly asking for $50m per. News recently broke that Derek Carr requested a trade a month ago. New Orleans is rumored to be looking for a solution at QB. Justin Fields is on team #3 and he’s a bag of magic beans. I’d argue all three of the Jets Saints Raiders would consider Shedur Sanders. I’m personally not a fan of his but teams are always salivating for QB solution at the top of the draft. Seeing the success Nix had, Penix showed flashes.. I’d say there almost no chance Sanders makes it past 6 or 7.
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I disagree. There are mocks that have him in teens or 20s. He's not even a 1st rd pick last year. He's average in every projectable NFL QB skill. This year is more like the Kenny Pickett year for QBs.
 
Smitty93 said:
I've been looking through it myself, and I think the only player where it would make sense to specifically want to move to 4 (vs. 5 or 6) is Mason Graham, and that's based on a combination of things.

Yes, teams trade up for specific players, but it's often due to a drop off in talent at the position and teams picking ahead of you likely being interested in drafting that position.

Given that, you start to look at options and you get an idea.

QB: It's been reported that teams don't feel there's much of a difference between Sanders and Dart. Jags and Raiders aren't taking a QB, so you could move up to either spot instead.

RB: Lacks positional value and strong class.

WR: While most seem to take Tet over Golden, I don't think there's enough difference in the consensus.

TE: Lacks positional value and Loveland is a quality TE2 in this draft.

OT: Yes, there's G vs. T questions and LT vs. RT questions with Campbell and Membou, but there's been a debate who's better.

EDGE: EDGE2 after Carter very much seems up in the air, and the drop off to EDGE3 is likely small.

CB: There remains an argument whether Johnson or Barron is CB2 (or CB1 if you view Hunter as a WR).

That leads us to DT, where it feels like there's the largest drop off between DT1 (Graham) and DT2 (Grant or Nolen). You've also got the Jags in need of a DT, and when you look at mock drafts, he seems to be overwhelmingly mocked at 5.
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If Carter and Hunter are gone by 4, I say take Jeanty.

Ordinarily RB doesn't carry that value but he's the rare exception. Especially after we just watched Bentley Barkley run the eagles to a superbowl.

He's a 3 down back who instantly gives your QB a weapon and can take pressure of the O line and prevent opponents from going heavy on a pass rush against them
 
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Dan Orlovsky Offers Blunt Stance on Travis Hunter's Position in the NFL — Sports Illustrated

There's been much debate about Colorado two-way star Travis Hunter's best NFL position leading up to April's draft.

Hunter has made clear he wants to play on both sides of the ball in the pros, much like he did in college. But not everyone thinks that's the best course of action for the 21-year-old.

Among that crowd appears to be ESPN's NFL analyst Dan Orlovsky, who shared his thoughts on Hunter's best position Monday on X, formerly Twitter.

Kay Adams, host of Up & Adams, asked New England Patriots executive Eliot Wolf whether he preferred the idea of pairing Hunter in the secondary alongside star cornerback Christian Gonzalez, or utilizing him as a wide receiver to compliment Stefon Diggs.

Wolf kept his cards close to his chest in regard to his answer to Adams' question, but Orlovsky took to X to offer his unprompted response.

"He’s a WR. You play him at WR," wrote Orlovsky.

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Ultimately, Hunter's position will be determined by whatever the coaching staff of the team that drafts him decides. He was elite on both ends of the ball in college, but there's plenty of uncertainty as to how he would fare playing both offense and defense in the NFL.

During his final season at Colorado, Hunter caught 96 passes for 1,258 yards and 15 touchdowns while adding 36 tackles, four interceptions, 11 pass defenses and one forced fumble out of the secondary.

Hunter is expected to be one of the first names called at the 2025 NFL draft, and it's certainly possible he winds up with the Patriots, who own the No. 4 selection.

Orlovsky made clear that he views Hunter as more of a wide receiver than a cornerback, but it remains to be seen if his future team feels the same way.
 
For what it's worth, if Hunter or Carter is available at #4, then that's fine. Take them.

If they're not there, and you can trade down, then that's also fine.

But if you're stuck picking at #4 and Hunter and Carter are gone? Best Available Offensive Lineman. Normally not a great strategy, but LT is such an important position and there's such a glaring need that the Pats have kind of painted themselves into a corner here.
 
GatorMike said:
For what it's worth, if Hunter or Carter is available at #4, then that's fine. Take them.

If they're not there, and you can trade down, then that's also fine.

But if you're stuck picking at #4 and Hunter and Carter are gone? Best Available Offensive Lineman. Normally not a great strategy, but LT is such an important position and there's such a glaring need that the Pats have kind of painted themselves into a corner here.
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The issue is Eliot Wolf referred to Campbell as a possibly guard. If they take a guy at 4 that ends up playing guard, I'm going to lose it. They can't screw up this pick at 4
 
BigBadBruins7708 said:
If Carter and Hunter are gone by 4, I say take Jeanty.

Ordinarily RB doesn't carry that value but he's the rare exception. Especially after we just watched Bentley Barkley run the eagles to a superbowl.

He's a 3 down back who instantly gives your QB a weapon and can take pressure of the O line and prevent opponents from going heavy on a pass rush against them
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We have 2 RB's already and RS is signed for big bucks, no way we take a RB at 4.
If Hunter and Carter are off the board and we can grab an extra second round pick, and find a trade partner ( Vegas, Bears or Saints)) I trade down to no further than #10.
The Bears may want to move up to take Jeanty?
At 10 we can grab a starter to play OT / WR or TE . I really like Ty Warren after what I saw what Brock Bowers did last year.
 
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