Buffalo Bills The Doldrums of the NFL Off-season have arrived

[Husko]

I thought of Palmer as a Hollins replacement Jim ?

Moore tells me they were looking to add a speed receiver in draft and it just never aligned like Beane said

In my mind they're trying to get what Hollins and Cooper gave them in one singular player (on offense; ST snaps will have to come elsewhere).

 

[Digable5]

(Standing Ovation)

Give that man an extension just for how he handled the arrogant WGR personalities.

The wide receiver room is 4 deep in Shakir, Palmer, Samuel and Coleman and they normally only keep 5. The 5th person is normally a blocking/special teams person. If you were to pick someone early they aren't going to be a special teams contributor. Instead you would then be replacing one of the 4 veterans. I personally would rather have a veteran like Samuel than a rookie, and then to tell me the rookie is a 3rd or 4th round pick that might never make it in the NFL when we are a Super Bowl contender? Doesn't make sense.

Shenault, Shavers, Prather, Hamler, Virgil, etc... can fight for the last spot and try to force them to keep a 6th WR on the roster if they are that good.

I'd much rather they look at an Elijah Moore who has proven to be able to play at this level. If not, and you need something in the middle of the season trade for another "Amari Cooper" type veteran. Improvements to the roster don't only come from the draft,

 

[Dirty Dog]

Here is the clip...

Hahahaha. Agree or disagree, gotta admit that’s funny

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Bleeping things out is always done in post. That is not what a 5 second delay is for on live radio.

That's what I said!, do you have issues with interpretation ? lol

 

[HOOats]

Love that the Bengals exist as a counterfactual to this conversation.

Their fanbase is miserable that all they have is a fancy garage with a couple Ferraris, while the roof is leaking, the foundation is cracking, and their appliances are from the 80s.

I'll take our build all day.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

(Standing Ovation)

Give that man an extension just for how he handled the arrogant WGR personalities.

How dare he insult radio guys who spent 100K+ on a over priced education to borrow from Will Hunting! (tongue in cheek).

Does remind me a little of the who the hell is Mel Kiper incident

 

[Digable5]

How dare he insult radio guys who spent 100K+ on a over priced education to borrow from Will Hunting! (tongue in cheek).

Does remind me a little of the who the hell is Mel Kiper incident

The only difference is that Mel was right?

 

[Jim Bob]

Love that the Bengals exist as a counterfactual to this conversation.

Their fanbase is miserable that all they have is a fancy garage with a couple Ferraris, while the roof is leaking, the foundation is cracking, and their appliances are from the 80s.

I'll take our build all day.

I got my take on Locked on NFL Scouting a couple of weeks ago and Joe & Kyle enjoyed thinking about it from a team building POV.

My take was that I know the cap doesn't allow for it, but just conceptually, I wouldn't trade Dawkins & Brown for Chase & Higgins.

They both felt like Chase was the best player of the 4 and Higgins was the 4th. And that they would both take the trench players over the WRs.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

WGR has been pretty whinny about the wr position over the last 2 weeks, even for them. Bulldog had a 20 min rant last week, and the morning show has been on it for 3 years now.

But I dont think this is about WR, its about the same thing thats happening here, its been 6 years since allen was drafted, hes now in the prime and people are starting to keep an eye out for the decline, they still havent won, and it really doesnt look like they have any intention to try something new

you can be a wr guy
a McD guy
a Beane guy
a pass rush guy
a terry guy
up until last season a run game guy

but most of us have something that we think the bills could do better, and ill never consider it a good look when a GM of any sport comes out and attacks the media, media are insignificant, its designed from its core to inflame and instigate and professionals need to be able to operate above that, especially when dealing with WGR's on air 'talent', none of them put half the effort into their jobs that cover 1, joe marino, etc do, or at least the effort isnt directed at good takes.

 

[Dingo44]

Andy Reid was the guy who couldn’t win the big game in Philly.

Last game of each Playoffs:
Lost the the Giants
Lost to the Rams
Lost to the Bucs
Lost to the Panthers
Lost to the Pats (Super Bowl)
Lost to the Saints
Lost to the Cardinals
Lost to the Cowboys
Lost to the Packers

Five seasons where they didn’t make the playoffs.

Reid was what we’re complaining about McDermott. Couldn’t win the big game. 1-4 in the conference finals. 0-1 in the Super Bowl.

I’m not saying McDermott is Reid, but for a long time, Reid wasn’t this guru genius. He was exactly what we’re saying McDermott is now.

Re: receivers. Spare me the “sub-par” comment on receivers. Shakir is in the conversation for best a lot receiver in the NFL based on his catch percentage and YAC. Palmer was a priority free agent noted by a lot of analytics guys. Coleman has Michael Thomas type potential. Samuel is a good third receiver who wasn’t used well. Average? Sure. But they put up a lot of points last season. And Palmer is a Hollins upgrade, and Cooper was hurt a lot. So were Coleman and Kincaid.

I’ll take the Bills overall team over a team constructed like the Bengals or Dolphins.

I lived in Philly during the Eagles NFC Championship game run. The fans there wanted to run both Reid and McNabb out of town yesterday. And as a Bills fan I knew they were crazy - especially in 2002 - 2005.

 

[Dahlicious]

Guess I’m in the minority but I agree with Jeremy and Joe about the WR conversation. They can’t stretch the field vertically with the current group. Their #5 and #6 are some combination of Shenault (who hasn’t been on offense in years), Shavers, Virgil, and Prather (none of whom have meaningful pro experience). Their top 4 has Samuel (often injured) and Coleman (who I love but hasn’t proven much yet).

It’s not a deep room. Shakir is the only proven talent they have.

The offense changed dramatically when Cooper was added. They lost him and Hollins and only brought in Palmer. They *need* one more contributing WR.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

LOL, made the rounds it seems

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Jeremy and Joe are stooges and got what they deserved. There’s a reason there’s such a market for amateur content in Buffalo.

Never met anyone who listens to them outside of the interview clips online, and that’s just because of the person being interviewed.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Post wgr Interview reactions

 

[TehDoak]

Lawd they desperate for content. I'm expecting a "reaction to WGR 550's reaction to Shout's Reaction to Brandon Beane's Reaction to WGR's 550s Comments" Soon.

 

[Dubi Doo]

Guess I’m in the minority but I agree with Jeremy and Joe about the WR conversation. They can’t stretch the field vertically with the current group. Their #5 and #6 are some combination of Shenault (who hasn’t been on offense in years), Shavers, Virgil, and Prather (none of whom have meaningful pro experience). Their top 4 has Samuel (often injured) and Coleman (who I love but hasn’t proven much yet).

It’s not a deep room. Shakir is the only proven talent they have.

The offense changed dramatically when Cooper was added. They lost him and Hollins and only brought in Palmer. They *need* one more contributing WR.

It's interesting, though. Cooper + Coleman missed a few games after we traded for Cooper, right? And the offense just kept chugging along. Or am I not remembering correctly?

 

[ahmedou]

NFL Draft > NBA Finals

 

[Fezzy126]

I lived in Philly during the Eagles NFC Championship game run. The fans there wanted to run both Reid and McNabb out of town yesterday. And as a Bills fan I knew they were crazy - especially in 2002 - 2005.

I lived in State College at the time, and while it's not the lion's den of Philly, can absolutely verify that energy/fan narrative. I knew KC was getting a HoF coach (and even Chiefs fans repeated the "he can't win the big one" narrative for years - "Playoff Andy").

McDermott has repeatedly lost to one coach and QB, I don't understand how anyone can have the desire to swap him out with someone worse.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Another Bills draft note, 4 of their choices this week were captains for the college teams. Sanders, Jackson, Walker, and Strong.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

I lived in State College at the time, and while it's not the lion's den of Philly, can absolutely verify that energy/fan narrative. I knew KC was getting a HoF coach (and even Chiefs fans repeated the "he can't win the big one" narrative for years - "Playoff Andy").

McDermott has repeatedly lost to one coach and QB, I don't understand how anyone can have the desire to swap him out with someone worse.

old saying and good country song "You don't know what you got until it's gone"

 

[HOOats]

An underrated part of the conversation around this offseason, draft class, and now this morning as far as investing heavily in defense, is that Beane is giving McDermott a final 1-3 year run at a title with his defense plus Josh as the foundation.

I sensed it a bit in one of Beane's draft pressers last weekend too - there's a bit of put up or shut up building for McD. Of course if this build fails to get it done, there's also no guarantee that Beane survives and gets to shift into an offensive HC.

I think Beane believes in what they're building, but it surely wouldn't look the same without McD' influence.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Another Bills draft note, 4 of their choices this week were captains for the college teams. Sanders, Jackson, Walker, and Strong.

I thought they said Hairston was too but I went back and they called him a leader.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

old saying and good country song "You don't know what you got until it's gone"

I always thought that was from the hair metal greats, Cinderella.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Guess I’m in the minority but I agree with Jeremy and Joe about the WR conversation. They can’t stretch the field vertically with the current group. Their #5 and #6 are some combination of Shenault (who hasn’t been on offense in years), Shavers, Virgil, and Prather (none of whom have meaningful pro experience). Their top 4 has Samuel (often injured) and Coleman (who I love but hasn’t proven much yet).

It’s not a deep room. Shakir is the only proven talent they have.

The offense changed dramatically when Cooper was added. They lost him and Hollins and only brought in Palmer. They *need* one more contributing WR.

I think the disagreement is going to be over “only brought in Palmer.” I think the team would tell you they believe Palmer can do what Cooper did and be productive. We’ll see if they are right

 

[Zman5778]

Guess I’m in the minority but I agree with Jeremy and Joe about the WR conversation. They can’t stretch the field vertically with the current group. Their #5 and #6 are some combination of Shenault (who hasn’t been on offense in years), Shavers, Virgil, and Prather (none of whom have meaningful pro experience). Their top 4 has Samuel (often injured) and Coleman (who I love but hasn’t proven much yet).

It’s not a deep room. Shakir is the only proven talent they have.

The offense changed dramatically when Cooper was added. They lost him and Hollins and only brought in Palmer. They *need* one more contributing WR.

You mention stretching the field vertically, and I think a lot of people forget that there are 2 ways to stretch the field vertically: yes, there are pure speed burners (MVS) who stretch the field vertically by their sheer speed and backing DBs off due to that threat.

There's also schematically. Get guys open underneath/intermediately and have a legit running game and it'll force safeties to creep up, which is when you can take deep shots with non-speed merchants. That's where a contested-catch guy like Keon can be so valuable. He doesn't need to be open to be open. We know Shakir is excellent at getting open quick. History has shown that Samuel can get open quick, when healthy. History has shown that Palmer can get open short and intermediate. We know that when healthy, Kincaid is also basically always open.

If we add Moore, he's a deep speed merchant AND a guy who can get open quick -- best of both worlds.

You mention that the offense changed dramatically when Cooper was added -- don't forget, Cooper arrived at exactly the same time that Shakir got healthy again. I think Shakir is FAR, FAR more important to the way this offense runs than Cooper was. And I think the front office sees that given the signing of Palmer (a guy who can get open), keeping a healthy Samuel (a guy that can get open) and maybe bringing in Moore (a guy that can get open).