Next Captain: Ryan O'Reilly or Jack Eichel
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Maybe it's like that dream girl who is a real innocent sweetheart in public and is a total freak in the bedroom.
Or maybe I have problems for trying to make that relate to the next captain of the Sabres.
It is actually. That's probably the best example yet in this thread.
Ok, seriously. Today, 15 games into Eichel's career, it's obviously ROR. Probably through next year too. If Eichel's career trajectory goes the way the Sabres hope it goes with production and leadership there would come a day where it clearly would be his team.
Personally I don't think that day comes before Gionta leaves but say Jack goes Super Seguin as a 20 year old? Top-10 center and carries the team through a playoff round or 2? If he develops like a Stamkos or Tavares or Crosby, you'd expect he'll get the C (and a massive contract extension) sooner than later.
Personally I don't think that day comes before Gionta leaves but say Jack goes Super Seguin as a 20 year old? Top-10 center and carries the team through a playoff round or 2? If he develops like a Stamkos or Tavares or Crosby, you'd expect he'll get the C (and a massive contract extension) sooner than later.
You think they are going to give the captaincy to O'reilly... and then take it away at some point in the middle of the prime of his career?
Maybe it's because Buffalo is in such a unique (awesome) roster scenario, that people see this transition from Oreilly to Eichel in such a short period of time.
Oreilly is the next captain... that's for sure, and as long as Buffalo keeps progressing (regular season, playoffs, contention), it would be a long time before a change was made (multiple playoff disappointments a la San Jose/Thornton).
1point21Gigawatts
hell's a gigawatt?
Didn't say that. Didn't imply it either. Said there's a chance Eichel would be a valid choice by the end of Gionta's contract.
Sorry, I read the obvious implication of your statements
(Eichel becoming the superstar we expect, signing the massive mega contract and getting the "C" = "C" coming of Oreilly's sweater.... there's just no way around that)
cybresabre
Go team go
Mike Weber gives great interviews. You left your most convincing argument on the table, Jame, and you didn't even know it.
Interviews are probably the least important thing I can imagine. Reporters are looking for quotes to fill paragraphs and, best case scenario, the players slip up and say something that they can attack. Props to Sam for making the Harringtons of the world put their degrees and 30 years of experience to work to churn out articles.
Interviews are probably the least important thing I can imagine. Reporters are looking for quotes to fill paragraphs and, best case scenario, the players slip up and say something that they can attack. Props to Sam for making the Harringtons of the world put their degrees and 30 years of experience to work to churn out articles.
Again, who said anything about the C coming off O'Reilly's sweater? And even beyond that, the thread topic is "who gets the C next" so that limits the parameters as well. I don't mind if you take issue with things I said, so long as I said them.
Matt Ress
Don't sleep on me
Well, if you think Eichel has to "grow" into a leader then you haven't been paying attention. ROR would be a good choice now but you have no idea what happens in 5 years or even one year. Frankly, anyone saying "just because he gets the most points doesn't mean he should be captain" is just being contrarian. Yes, ROR does just about everything well but Eichel will surpass him in skill and performance. If the conversation was purely "leadership" intangibles, then why even take it off Giontas sweater?
Sorry about jumpy sentences there. I was all over the place.
Matt Ress
Don't sleep on me
Well, I said that. Only in the context of what a difficult situation it would present if the team was clearly someone else's and ROR was 27 with 4 years left under contract. You almost can't take it away from him at that point without moving him even if other players surpass him.
SoFFacet
Registered User
Wrong. Eichel can currently lead by example owing to his skill. But he self-evidently has a lot of growing up to do, as a person, and that's not even close to a knock on him, that's just the reality of being 19. He currently lives with Matt Moulson ffs.
That's not irrelevant, its just not the only thing that will matter. ROR is currently the first in / last out guy who makes it his business not just improve himself but improve others. Unless he lacks any humility I am almost certain that Jack himself will vote for Ryan for as long as they both are Sabres.
Presumably Gionta will retire at the end of his current contract. This thread is discussing what will happen after that.
Contradiction much? And you take it off Gionta's sweater because the guy is soon going to be done as a player.
What I speculate a team would want from a Captain...
- hard working on and off the ice
- reliability (can and does lead by example)
- a level of emotional intelligence... Can relate to players and coaches. Drive accountability amongst colleagues without distancing himself
- charismatic and persuasive
- relatively marketable
I am sure teams prioritize these differently and likely have more requisites, no less, I think both guys carry these qualities well (as do some others). Needless to say, the job is easier for top tier players. I personally think Eichel will be the next 'C', but that is purely speculative based on what I think the timeline will be (Gionta's retirement) and what his development will look like over that time.
Frankly, when the time comes, I think it will be a relatively obvious decision - the leader will stand out - just as most think ROR is the rightful decision if it were to happen today (myself included).
- hard working on and off the ice
- reliability (can and does lead by example)
- a level of emotional intelligence... Can relate to players and coaches. Drive accountability amongst colleagues without distancing himself
- charismatic and persuasive
- relatively marketable
I am sure teams prioritize these differently and likely have more requisites, no less, I think both guys carry these qualities well (as do some others). Needless to say, the job is easier for top tier players. I personally think Eichel will be the next 'C', but that is purely speculative based on what I think the timeline will be (Gionta's retirement) and what his development will look like over that time.
Frankly, when the time comes, I think it will be a relatively obvious decision - the leader will stand out - just as most think ROR is the rightful decision if it were to happen today (myself included).
Jim Carr's Rug
Registered User
The coaches and the players know who the captain should be.
My only worry would be the organization slapping the "C" on a a particular sweater solely for marketing purposes.
Perhaps when the time comes, that person will be one in the same. But if I had to guess right now, I would wager that the players and coaches choice for next captain is Ryan O'Reilly.
My only worry would be the organization slapping the "C" on a a particular sweater solely for marketing purposes.
Perhaps when the time comes, that person will be one in the same. But if I had to guess right now, I would wager that the players and coaches choice for next captain is Ryan O'Reilly.
signalIInoise
killed by signal 2
Counter-indicated in one of these ridiculous poll fantasy threads, but I'm happy to wait and see. I don't want to rush these guys at. All.
For now, I just don't care. I'm just going to enjoy the Sabres being on the upswing again.
For now, I just don't care. I'm just going to enjoy the Sabres being on the upswing again.
Assuming Eichel isn't a lunatic that will demand a trade if he doesn't have the C, how is it not perfect to have ROR wear the C. When the spotlights bright ROR can take some of the heat off Eichel.
Eichel will be the most famous media criticized/focused on player since Hasek. Except with today's media and tech... welcome to the show kid.
Eichel will be the most famous media criticized/focused on player since Hasek. Except with today's media and tech... welcome to the show kid.
MayDayMayDay
What in tarnation...
In my eyes, it is so obviously Ryan O'Reilly. I could see it happening as early as this season. Gio gets hurt, ROR picks up the C and we never look back.
C-ROR
A-Eich, Risto
End of discussion.
C-ROR
A-Eich, Risto
End of discussion.
EichHart
Registered User
Have to go with Eichel, how can you choose anything else going forward. Franchise changing players like him nearly always get the C.
Stamkos
Crosby
Tavares
Toews
Getzlaf
Giroux
Obviously ROR isn't a bad choice either but I go Eichel. Risto and ROR with the A's.
Stamkos
Crosby
Tavares
Toews
Getzlaf
Giroux
Obviously ROR isn't a bad choice either but I go Eichel. Risto and ROR with the A's.
Matt Ress
Don't sleep on me
Pretty weak argument all around. Do you think Eichel won't surpass ROR in skill in and performance? I agree that's why you take C off him but you clearly missed the point. Leadership is not the only factor in captaincy.
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