News & Notes XLVI: The Svechnikov Awakens, The Jarvis... Jarvis-es.

[bleedgreen]

Skinny scores!!

 

[Tryamw]

Jeff Skinner scores a playoff goal

 

[chaz4hockey]

Walt Ruff posting end of year quotes from players. Worth a read:

https://x.com/WaltRuff

 

[chaz4hockey]

 

[chaz4hockey]

This is good to hear

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

No LBI for Morrow to explain the skating, I guess. Sounds like he just ran out of gas.

 

[HisIceness]

Glad to hear Morrow is going to take the offseason seriously. He's still a valuable piece of the puzzle

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Glad to hear Morrow is going to take the offseason seriously. He's still a valuable piece of the puzzle

Or a valuable trade piece. One of those pieces, for sure.

 

[HisIceness]

I am not a doctor, but even I think him brushing off surgery is a bad idea.

 

[Stickpucker]

the fact that Slavin emerged from this series as a +3 when we got absolutely f***ing caved in the first 3 games and that he was carrying Burns the entire time is absolutely astounding.

My love for Slavin grows year by year...

I've got even more respect for the hobbits for never backing down. Jarvis and Stank....if you could put their hearts in some of the bigger guys...

Burns performed admirably for someone who needs a walker off ice.

Aho elevated his game when we needed it most and Martinook was the heart and soul of this team like always. No shade at Carrier but I'd rather clone Martinook and have two of him.

 

[Stickpucker]

Skinny scores!!

GET SKINNED RANTANEN!!!!

man I miss saying that.

Skinner is STRAWNG he had more goals than soggy turd biscuit did the entire WCF and it only took him 10 min toi.

 

[chaz4hockey]

I am not a doctor, but even I think him brushing off surgery is a bad idea.

After listening to Jarvis' full interview, I find Walt's and Cory's posts to be very misleading.

Jarvis said that he can play with this injury (just doesn't allow him to throw a softball....sounds like he can't raise his arm over his shoulder easily), albeit with more pain.

He also said that not getting surgery could benefit for the Olympics but he was thinking team (Canes) first (versus a delay just for Olympics). He believes similar to LY that a summer of rehab will get him ready.

 

[Stanky and Janky]

After listening to Jarvis' full interview, I find Walt's and Cory's posts to be very misleading.

Jarvis said that he can play with this injury (just doesn't allow him to throw a softball....sounds like he can't raise his arm over his shoulder easily), albeit with more pain.

He also said that not getting surgery could benefit for the Olympics but he was thinking team (Canes) first (versus a delay just for Olympics). He believes similar to LY that a summer of rehab will get him ready.

Did you even stop to think about the narratives and the effort people might have to make to put away their pitchforks and torches before typing that? For shame.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Get the surgery in September 2026 and be ready for Game 1 of the playoffs in April 2027.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Jarvis is only 23. If the injury isn't bad enough to keep him from being productive I don't blame him for making the decision to hold off. I wouldn't want to miss the olympics either. You never know if that's your only opportunity.

 

[robbieberns]

Genuinely shocked at how quick the knives came out about Jarvis not wanting to miss his shot at the Olympics

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Genuinely shocked at how quick the knives came out about Jarvis not wanting to miss his shot at the Olympics

I think the concern by many fans was that the knives weren't coming out quickly enough.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Genuinely shocked at how quick the knives came out about Jarvis not wanting to miss his shot at the Olympics

Because we don't want him playing at less than 100%?

If this wasn't a reoccurring injury, there'd be less worry about it. But he played the 23-24 season with the injury, did the rehab that off-season, and then re-injured it in the 24-25 season. And apparently the plan is to do the same rehab for it that he did last off-season. So the expectation is that he'll, again, have it re-injured next year.

I'm no medical professional, but I'm pretty sure antagonizing an injury probably isn't good for said injury and has a higher chance of making it worse, no?

Yes, he's 23. But that's a knock against him as well. How many of us remember feeling invincible at 23? How many of us are 10, 15, 20, 30 years older and are dealing with the consequences of the actions (or inactions) of our younger selfs? I can raise my hand on that. My back is all kinds of f***ed up.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Because we don't want him playing at less than 100%?

If this wasn't a reoccurring injury, there'd be less worry about it. But he played the 23-24 season with the injury, did the rehab that off-season, and then re-injured it in the 24-25 season. And apparently the plan is to do the same rehab for it that he did last off-season. So the expectation is that he'll, again, have it re-injured next year.

I'm no medical professional, but I'm pretty sure antagonizing an injury probably isn't good for said injury and has a higher chance of making it worse, no?

Yes, he's 23. But that's a knock against him as well. How many of us remember feeling invincible at 23? How many of us are 10, 15, 20, 30 years older and are dealing with the consequences of the actions (or inactions) of our younger selfs? I can raise my hand on that. My back is all kinds of f***ed up.

We don't know he's not 100% from a hockey/mechanics point of view. Experiencing pain while playing hockey does not mean he's less than 100%.

I'm clearly not a professional athlete, but I have a rotator cuff injury from getting tripped on a break-away and sliding into the boards probably 15-20 years ago. It hurt like hell and I never underwent surgery, just rehab. To this day, I can't throw a baseball or football anymore without causing pain, but I played hockey another 10-15 years after the injury and it never caused an issue other than occasionally slight discomfort.

Other than lifting things in a certain way or throwing something, it doesn't bother me.

I have no idea what Jarvis's issue is, but I'm sure if it was something that would cause long term impacts on his ability, he'd get surgery.

 

[robbieberns]

Because we don't want him playing at less than 100%?

If this wasn't a reoccurring injury, there'd be less worry about it. But he played the 23-24 season with the injury, did the rehab that off-season, and then re-injured it in the 24-25 season. And apparently the plan is to do the same rehab for it that he did last off-season. So the expectation is that he'll, again, have it re-injured next year.

I'm no medical professional, but I'm pretty sure antagonizing an injury probably isn't good for said injury and has a higher chance of making it worse, no?

Yes, he's 23. But that's a knock against him as well. How many of us remember feeling invincible at 23? How many of us are 10, 15, 20, 30 years older and are dealing with the consequences of the actions (or inactions) of our younger selfs? I can raise my hand on that. My back is all kinds of f***ed up.

If he’s talked it out with the doctors and trainers and relevant parties and they’ve decided to go with another summer of rest and rehab with the idea of doing surgery next summer that seems like the best compromise you could ask for. I’m confident that if delaying surgery another year put his long term career/effectiveness at risk both player and team would agree to get it out of the way now.

 

[Chrispy]

Did you even stop to think about the narratives and the effort people might have to make to put away their pitchforks and torches before typing that? For shame.

You’re right. Why would we expect accurate reporting or even a positive spin from

<checks notes>

Hurricanes employed team reporter Walt Ruff.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Glad to hear Morrow is going to take the offseason seriously. He's still a valuable piece of the puzzle

I cant find it but theres an old Brind'amour quote from his playing days where he said going from college to pro (AHL) was more of a shock than going AHL to NHL for this very reason

 

[Staal Tactic]

I swear to God if we saddle him with another guy just to mask that players deficiencies....

The entire world saw how elite he is at the 4Nations, bring in someone that allows him to be that guy every night.

I wonder if his covering up for lackluster partners is his actual best use. Like, say he can run with a mediocre partner and still defend so well for the both of them that they give up x amount of chances.60. We find him an exceptional partner and they give up .9x chances/60, because there is less for him to cover for, right? So much of his skillset is wasted as he can be a bit more relaxed, but what does that get us? A few more pinches and offensive aggression from a mediocre offensive guy?

But say we get the same hypothetical exceptional partner and put him with someone else, where he is the one covering the bulk of the D responsibility. Maybe their expected chances go from y/60 to .7y/60 so the benefit to the team as a whole is minimized.

I guess what I'm surious is if Slavin is so damned good at covering for weak partners, why not utilize that and spread other strong defenders out? It's not like he is getting scored on a lot with the likes of Burns' corpse regardless, so where is the value add? In game 4 he was capable of basically dictating play by himself in the D zone. Why not use that?

Sure he will age and this will become moot eventually. And I do remember a season or 2 with Pesce where it looked like whenever they were paired together, the opponent had basically no chance. And that was a god damned delight to watch. But would pairing him with another elite defender be the equivalent of putting 3 forwards who are nothing but snipers on a line together as if there were multiple pucks?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I wonder if his covering up for lackluster partners is his actual best use. Like, say he can run with a mediocre partner and still defend so well for the both of them that they give up x amount of chances.60. We find him an exceptional partner and they give up .9x chances/60, because there is less for him to cover for, right? So much of his skillset is wasted as he can be a bit more relaxed, but what does that get us? A few more pinches and offensive aggression from a mediocre offensive guy?

But say we get the same hypothetical exceptional partner and put him with someone else, where he is the one covering the bulk of the D responsibility. Maybe their expected chances go from y/60 to .7y/60 so the benefit to the team as a whole is minimized.

I guess what I'm surious is if Slavin is so damned good at covering for weak partners, why not utilize that and spread other strong defenders out? It's not like he is getting scored on a lot with the likes of Burns' corpse regardless, so where is the value add? In game 4 he was capable of basically dictating play by himself in the D zone. Why not use that?

Sure he will age and this will become moot eventually. And I do remember a season or 2 with Pesce where it looked like whenever they were paired together, the opponent had basically no chance. And that was a god damned delight to watch. But would pairing him with another elite defender be the equivalent of putting 3 forwards who are nothing but snipers on a line together as if there were multiple pucks?

For what it's worth, Slavin's defensive metrics this year were pretty terrible compared to years past. It wouldn't even be out of the question to say that, if we were ranking based only on this past year, he wouldn't be in the top 10 defensive defensemen in the league.

So carrying his defensively-inept partner definitely has an affect on his play, especially when, as you said, it's compared to partnering him with someone like Pesce.

At this point though, Slavin's starting to get up there in age. As great as he is now, we can't be sure how much longer that's going to last. So I'd rather create a true shutdown pairing than continue to hope that Slavin can cover the defensive deficiencies of his partner

 

[bleedgreen]

I think the best use of Slavin is not saddling him with a weak partner. Not at this point. He doesn’t skate quite as well as he used to, it’s a lot to ask of him.

What we’ve lost is an elite or near elite defensive pairing. IMO Skjei and Pesce were up there defensively, and we miss this pair that can carry that load. Slavin still can, he just needs an effective partner for that job. When he’s babysitting, at this point I can’t see his pairing as a top of the league pairing.

We have an elite defensive defenseman. We don’t have a high end defensive pairing imo. We’re a defensive minded team that’s riding high end defensive hockey to the cup. To me for us to be that team one of the steps is having a true shut down pair that can also play two way. We have the best guy in the league for half that pairing. Complete the pair. Set Slavin free.