Derailed75
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The NHL playoffs are too much of crap shoot to punt in a team that is still top 10 despite playing like crap.
News & Notes XLV: Simply Having A Wonderful Canesmastime
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Ok but the top ten is only because of the hot Necas start. Too many games sub par since to think we have even a snowballs chance to win in may.
Derailed75
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Selling when you are firmly in a playoff spot with 20ish games left is the most asinine thing i have ever heard.
2019 they made the playoffs in the second to last game of the season. Zero chance they could go anywhere in the playoffs.
Oh yeah beat the reigning champs on their ice, swept a "better" team and made it to the conference finals.
We shall see. Didn’t say they SHOULD sell but that’s an option.
I’ve written off this year since I believe our six defensemen are bad and not cup worthy (Last year was a different story).
Borsig
PoKechetkov
Burns - Bad
Walker - Meh to Meh
Gost - servicable and decent for the salary
Chatty - pretty good especially for salary
Orlov - Drink.
Slavin - God tier.
The question is, can we we replace Meh, bad and drunkeness with Morrow and Nikishin?
Walker - Meh to Meh
Gost - servicable and decent for the salary
Chatty - pretty good especially for salary
Orlov - Drink.
Slavin - God tier.
The question is, can we we replace Meh, bad and drunkeness with Morrow and Nikishin?
I’d like to see walker with Slavin but suspect they wouldn’t like the burns-ghost pairing. A cut throat team, cough Vegas, would move out both burns and orlov at TDL and replace with better defensemen.
Orlov is a head scratcher as he started the season bad, had a great period and then post the illness but has been very bad. Is it the illness or just age catching up?
Gold’s podcast from last night is worth a listen as he recognized the liabilities of both Orlov and burns. Plus, he lays out the Mikko options and comments on the deadness of the crowd last night .
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Has anyone else noticed that every game with rantanen the visor tilt / 60 has increased for the rest of the team
Svechhammer
THIS is hockey?
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Its funny you bring up Vegas. I mentioned looking at Florida the other day and how long it took for the Tkachuk trade to start paying off for them, but the same can be said for Vegas and the Eichel trade. For both, the team really did struggle for a while right afterwards. In the case of Florida they flat out stunk for most of the season before they turned it on en route to sneaking into the playoffs and making a SCF run. For Vegas, they outright missed the playoffs. In both cases, the next year they won the Cup.
I am not saying that we are guaranteed to win the Cup next year, but there's a lot of data to point to Rantanen figuring it out and us having a very good team next year if we extend him. We have to be able to hold onto him, its absolutely our top priority, and its a complete organizational failure if we don't.
When i worry about the playoffs, i like to remind myself that florida made the finals in '23, but would not have even been in the playoffs if not for one of fleury's best ever saves. Get hot at the right time, hope someone else doesn't get hotter.
I also assume that save is directly responsible for saving us from "2023 stanley cup champion boston bruins" so i really appreciate fleury.
I also assume that save is directly responsible for saving us from "2023 stanley cup champion boston bruins" so i really appreciate fleury.
HisIceness
This is Hurricanes Hockey
I'll be real I think we beat Boston in that year's playoff.
However, I seem to recall Vegas figured our team out in the regular season.
TheReelChuckFletcher
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It might be illness, honestly, but simultaneously, I dispute the extent to which both Burns and Orlov have been liabilities. Yes, they make a crap-load of mistakes, and yes, neither are exactly the fastest guys, especially Burns (of course). But both still move the puck way better than most defensemen even now. We now know from analytics that the biggest liabilities in the league are guys who either have no ability or have lost their ability to play the puck. Typically guys who move the puck a ton will also turnover the puck a bunch.
Also worth noting: outside of a few bad games, our team defense, when all put together, still has been one of the best shot-suppressing units in all of hockey even with all of our alleged liabilities. Maybe we need to be a bit more confident that our whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
AD Skinner
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There wasn’t much to cheer about until the 3rd period
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The team has been bad lately, so the crowd is understandably nervous when the Canes aren't playing their best in a particular game. And that's been most games lately...
Perhaps but due to Orlov and Burns’ inadequacies, I think that the Canes forwards are playing much more defensively (granted eye test) this year and as a result we’ve seen a lot less breakouts and odd man rushes.
Thus, less goals.
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
That's a bit too eye-testy to me to reliably make conclusions about that dynamic. It's not like the Canes are slowing even a little bit when it comes to piling up the offensive possession numbers and chances this year, at least when it comes to the spreadsheet stuff. We may just be in a bit of an offensive results rut at the moment and are therefore in a bit of a rough patch over the last month.
I was going to contest this, but then I ran the numbers and January was much better than I remembered:
| Month | GP | GF/G | GA/G | Pts |
| October | 9 | 3.89 | 2.33 | 14 |
| November | 15 | 3.73 | 3.27 | 19 |
| December | 13 | 2.85 | 2.77 | 13 |
| January | 15 | 3.07 | 2.4 | 22 |
| Feb-Mar | 9 | 2.33 | 3.11 | 6 |
I combined February and March here due to small sample size.
December wasn't great, but 22 points in 15 games in January was quite good, and the defense was as good as the start of the season. It's really the last 9 games where everything fell apart.
Offensively they haven't quite been the same since November.
Update on Lenovo changes for next season. I’ve copied the archived article so it should be viewable:
This development mirrors what I saw at Florida’s stadium. Upstairs promises to have cool areas and downstairs will have mega $ locations. How that impacts fan noise downstairs is problematic as it will be more corporate folks and their guests versus hard core fans.
This development mirrors what I saw at Florida’s stadium. Upstairs promises to have cool areas and downstairs will have mega $ locations. How that impacts fan noise downstairs is problematic as it will be more corporate folks and their guests versus hard core fans.
CandyCanes
Caniac turned Jerkiac
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The archive worked. But can't scroll through the slideshow of images. Would love to check those out.
There's a Canes group on Bluesky and many folks have discussed how they're mostly disengaged and disinterested. I think last season's playoff results were a real letdown followed by the roster turnover. Some are saying they are tired of the style of play. More than a few of them are longtime fans who are saying they don't intend to be season ticketholders anymore either for a variety of reasons.
If you're not delivering a cup (or close to it), I think it's easier for attachment to decrease especially with many fan favs departing from the team. Players who the old marketing team worked hard to promote and utilized to build engagement. Might be time for some retention plans. I think that the MR acquisition was a part of one.
robbieberns
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We’ve got to remember that so many of us, myself included, entered the year either a “throwaway season” mentality. I think the Rantanen acquisition and corresponding drop off in form from the whole team has (understandably) spiraled fans out, along with a really good first month and a half fueled by good vibes and a red hot Necas.
Whether we retain the big Finn or not, whether it’s another playoff run that ends too quickly, the Big Summer Reset will really set us up for Dundon Era 2.0.
Whether we retain the big Finn or not, whether it’s another playoff run that ends too quickly, the Big Summer Reset will really set us up for Dundon Era 2.0.
Borsig
PoKechetkov
The disengagement this year is the lack of scoring, awful PP and losing.
Not all of us are rich or live close. It's 3.5hrs to the PNC for me. Thats tickets, parking, beer, hotel and so forth.
Last 3 games I went to -
8-2 loss to TBL
6-2 loss to Kings
4-1 loss to Stars.
We almost always go to a b2b around my birthday. That would have been this weekend. I simply don't trust them to not blow it and make the trip suck. Havent been to a game yet this year
Not all of us are rich or live close. It's 3.5hrs to the PNC for me. Thats tickets, parking, beer, hotel and so forth.
Last 3 games I went to -
8-2 loss to TBL
6-2 loss to Kings
4-1 loss to Stars.
We almost always go to a b2b around my birthday. That would have been this weekend. I simply don't trust them to not blow it and make the trip suck. Havent been to a game yet this year
Interesting...
I'm sure the off-season loss the Skjei-Pesce-TT & then the Necas shock were the roster disconnects. I do miss those guys and didn't want to lose Necas but I realize that if you stand still as a business you actually slip back.
Style of play I chalk up to the player profile we have on the roster and would hope that the long term fan base understands that. Please note we won't see players like that until we dive down precipitously (and then get lucky with a superstar and not unlucky like the Rangers in LaF and Kaako) and then a big part of the fan base leaves anyway.
I will say that the team's overall marketing is substandard this year and player engagement follows that track. Of course, we were also lucky to have players who were personable and I don't see that with their replacements.
Hopefully (despite the frustration), I would hope that fans recognize that we are clearly in a transition year and another ramp up should be occurring next year and beyond.
Thus, despite my in-game grumbling and decline in play, I'm still keeping the faith that the franchise is still on the right track for future success (I've accepted the fact that it will just not be this year)
btw: I've seen less of the rumblings on X (there is some) and perhaps that's an indication of the profile types that post on either site?
btw2: stadium renovations will probably lose some of the season ticket holders but I'd think overall, it will be a net positive for attendance as the "experience" will be better (until they build the damn parking garage causing 1 hour backups).
Canes have a great home record this year and perhaps given your experience it's best that you not attend
tarheelhockey
Offside Review Specialist
Think I’ll buy some premium tickets so I can go sit in PNC during the Canes game and watch the Canes game on TV.
