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apice3 said:
Also, Michael Roszival and Mark Fraser had the two best +/- per 60 in the NHL, minimum 20 games.

Both are elite two way defenseman, I suppose.
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Rozy has been solid in all aspects of game

I know your being sarcastic but in his case +/- has been good indicator of just how effective he can be

Sometimes his age shows (He is slowing down) but overall would love if he took discount to come back to Hawks next year (Doubtful)
 
apice3 said:
We're not talking about money. No idea how that is relevant. You said he is a great two-way D-man which is flat out wrong.
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Oh I definitely think he is a great two-way D-man that is why I would give him a 7 yr/ 49 million contract. He would make the Devils a much better team.

I have learned not to argue on these boards. Just stating my opinion and hopefully that Letang does become a FA and signs with the Devils.
 
Blackhawkswincup said:
Rozy has been solid in all aspects of game

I know your being sarcastic but in his case +/- has been good indicator of just how effective he can be

Sometimes his age shows (He is slowing down) but overall would love if he took discount to come back to Hawks next year (Doubtful)
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I thought Rozsival has always been a solid defenseman.
 
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apice3 said:
Also, Michael Roszival and Mark Fraser had the two best +/- per 60 in the NHL, minimum 20 games.

Both are elite two way defenseman, I suppose.
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Letang had 1.09 pts per game.
Roszival had .44 pts per game.
Fraser had .18 pts per game.

Not sure you are understanding when to you use On/Off +- 60.
 
Sounds to me that you're still touting Letang's offense, which no one is denying. We're saying he's not a TWO WAY. He is an elite offensive D-man.

You still haven't acknowledged his 2.47 5v5 GA/60, which is the worst on the Penguins blueline.

All of those advanced stats are incredibly misleading when you don't present them all. That's why I don't believe in them. Anyone can find a stat to prove anything and anyone can find a stat to disprove anything.

Drew Doughty has a 2.47 5v5 GA/60, and he's known for being elite in all 3 zones.
Ryan Suter has a 0.12 5v5 +-/60 and he's a Norris finalist.
Shea Weber has a -0.06 5v5 +-/60.
The 6 highest 5v5 +-/60 are Roszival, Fraser, Souray, Beauchemin, Prout, and Muzzin, min 20 games.
Paul Bissonette has a higher 5v5GF/60 than Rick Nash, Steven Stamkos, Patrick Kane, Taylor Hall, and Corey Perry.
 
apice3 said:
Sounds to me that you're still touting Letang's offense, which no one is denying. We're saying he's not a TWO WAY. He is an elite offensive D-man.

You still haven't acknowledged his 2.47 5v5 GA/60, which is the worst on the Penguins blueline.

All of those advanced stats are incredibly misleading when you don't present them all. That's why I don't believe in them. Anyone can find a stat to prove anything and anyone can find a stat to disprove anything.

Drew Doughty has a 2.47 5v5 GA/60, and he's known for being elite in all 3 zones.
Ryan Suter has a 0.12 5v5 +-/60 and he's a Norris finalist.
Shea Weber has a -0.06 5v5 +-/60.
The 6 highest 5v5 +-/60 are Roszival, Fraser, Souray, Beauchemin, Prout, and Muzzin, min 20 games.
Paul Bissonette has a higher 5v5GF/60 than Rick Nash, Steven Stamkos, Patrick Kane, Taylor Hall, and Corey Perry.
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Easy - he takes more offensive chances. He is 2nd in the team +- ON/60. He was also dominate compare to Pitt's other defenders last year before he got hurt.

Doughty plays against the other teams #1 players and since he is a two way defenseman he takes more offensive risks that will lead to more GA.

Suter plays on a bad team (gave up more goals than scored) and is a star player. Isn't the formula to win the Norris play at a lot minutes (he played 27:17) and put up a decent amount of points ( 32 pts).

Shea Weber plays on a bad team against the other teams best lines.

Not sure why you are using just 5v5 +-/60 on. If you notice most of the players are 2nd/3rd defensive pairings. They don't play against the other teams best players and are on good teams (score more goals than give up).

Bissonette plays played 1/3 of the time and against the other teams 4th line.

apice3 said:
CG lives in Pittsburgh, IIRC
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Pitt in the same division. Unless you watchs Pitts games over NJ you probably could watch 10 or so games a year not including the games when we play each other.
 
tycobb said:
Easy - he takes more offensive chances. He is 2nd in the team +- ON/60. He was also dominate compare to Pitt's other defenders last year before he got hurt.

Doughty plays against the other teams #1 players and since he is a two way defenseman he takes more offensive risks that will lead to more GA.

Suter plays on a bad team (gave up more goals than scored) and is a star player. Isn't the formula to win the Norris play at a lot minutes (he played 27:17) and put up a decent amount of points ( 32 pts).

Shea Weber plays on a bad team against the other teams best lines.

Not sure why you are using just 5v5 +-/60 on. If you notice most of the players are 2nd/3rd defensive pairings. They don't play against the other teams best players and are on good teams (score more goals than give up).

Bissonette plays played 1/3 of the time and against the other teams 4th line.
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I'm done talking about advanced stats.

Pitt in the same division. Unless you watchs Pitts games over NJ you probably could watch 10 or so games a year not including the games when we play each other.
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So what you're telling me, if I understand correctly, is that you are more qualified to analyze Letang's game than a guy who lives in Pittsburgh, since you watch more games because he "probably only watches 10 or so?"
 
Are these the same advanced stats that said PK Subban was overrated because Anton Volchenkov had a similar shooting percentage? The eventual Norris Trophy winner is overrated because he puts a lot of pucks on net :laugh:
 
You can take an advanced statistic and manipulate it to say anything you want about any player.

It's the worst in baseball, but hockey isn't far behind.
 
on NHL.com front page

"NYR: Stevens to interview"

Troll NHL didnt mention it was John Stevens, not Scott. almost had a heart attack haha ;)
 
Classic Devil said:
This doesn't mean that statistics aren't useful, but without context they can be very deceptive.
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Agreed entirely. That's why behindthenet.ca allows you to piece multiple advanced stats together at once. Unlike what was being presented here, only one stat at a time.

I still hate advanced statistics. I'm no expert, but I still trust my eyes more than any statistic.
 
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