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BiPolar Caps

BiPolar Caps

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Nicklas Backstrom and Marcus Johansson for Derek Stepan and Chris Kreider.

Backstrom and Stepan both centerman with comparable salaries while Johansson and Kreider two RFAs LWs. Facelift for both teams.
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No thanks. Backstrom is better than Stepan, but Stepan has a better contract and is younger, so that value is even. That on the surface may be fair, but it doesn't make sense to take an older player. Johansson is good, but not the type of player we should be trading Kreider for.

If we are going to trade players, it should be for younger players. Not to get older.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
No thanks. Backstrom is better than Stepan, but Stepan has a better contract and is younger, so that value is even. That on the surface may be fair, but it doesn't make sense to take an older player. Johansson is good, but not the type of player we should be trading Kreider for.

If we are going to trade players, it should be for younger players. Not to get older.
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I am not the biggest Backstrom fan but the Rangers aren't the ones that turn that down
 
Wow Nicklas Backstrom is 28 years old already?! I had no idea he was in the league so long, I thought he was like 24 :laugh:
 
Who on the Rangers is Backstrom going to pass to on the powerplay, that will take 30 one timers a game?
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
No thanks. Backstrom is better than Stepan, but Stepan has a better contract and is younger, so that value is even. That on the surface may be fair, but it doesn't make sense to take an older player. Johansson is good, but not the type of player we should be trading Kreider for.

If we are going to trade players, it should be for younger players. Not to get older.
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How does Stepan have a better contract? He makes $6.5M, Backstrom makes $6.7M and is a much better player. Stepan is 26, Backstrom is 28. Caps GM would hang up the phone with a proposal like this one.
 
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This is a bad version of musical chairs. It doesn't make sense for either team.
 
:laugh: no. I am not as high on Backstrom as I once was, but he is still a top 1C in the game, and the difference between him in Stepan is not even close to being made up for by the difference between Johansson and Kreider (I'm not even a fan of MOJO).
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
No thanks. Backstrom is better than Stepan, but Stepan has a better contract and is younger, so that value is even. That on the surface may be fair, but it doesn't make sense to take an older player. Johansson is good, but not the type of player we should be trading Kreider for.

If we are going to trade players, it should be for younger players. Not to get older.
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Haha. You take this and run
 
If the offer was McDonagh, Stepan and Kreider for Bäckström, Johansson, Orlov I'd do it as a Caps fan.

OP, not even close.

Bäckström is a top-10 #1C, Stepan is a top-10 #2C. Johansson for Kreider is pretty lateral, with Johansson given a slight edge due to points. McDonagh is a top-20 D in the league, but Orlov had a top-10 esp/60 this year, is two years younger, and given a chance to sign him longterm. I guess Caps add a little.
 
Eazy for Kuzy said:
How does Stepan have a better contract? He makes $6.5M, Backstrom makes $6.7M and is a much better player. Stepan is 26, Backstrom is 28. Caps GM would hang up the phone with a proposal like this one.
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Not a much better player. He's better. Backstrom has averaged .96 PPG over the last four years, Stepan has averaged .77 PPG over the last four years. Over a full season, thats about 15 points, but you also have to consider that Backstrom plays with one of the greatest goal scorers to this point in the history of the sport, Stepan doesn't, so I don't think Backstrom is 15 points better than Stepan if its an even playing field of line mates. Backstrom's a top 15C, Stepan's top 25. Backstrom's a better player, but its not by as much as you think. Stepan's one of those players who doesn't get the credit he deserves because he wasn't a top pick.

Both have good contracts, but Stepan has an extra year on his contract, which helps him out. Also two years younger.
 
MW6 said:
If the offer was McDonagh, Stepan and Kreider for Bäckström, Johansson, Orlov I'd do it as a Caps fan.

OP, not even close.

Bäckström is a top-10 #1C, Stepan is a top-10 #2C. Johansson for Kreider is pretty lateral, with Johansson given a slight edge due to points. McDonagh is a top-20 D in the league, but Orlov had a top-10 esp/60 this year, is two years younger, and given a chance to sign him longterm. I guess Caps add a little.
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Stepan is not a 2C.

Here are his PPG averages from the last 4 seasons among centers. 31st, 18th, 35th, 13th. The average of that is 24.25. He's also a very good defensive center. He's a top 25 center. I don't know how you get "top 10 2C" from that.

Giving Johansson a points advantage is crazy. Taking into account the last three seasons, Johansson averages less than 2 more points per game over an 82 game season, not to mention Johansson is mostly assists, Kreider has close to an even split. Kreider also doesn't get to leach points off of the best goal scorer in the league. Kreider also has a potential advantage. If he figures it out, he's one of the best players in the league. He hasn't figured it out yet, and he's a borderline top line player. This is probably Johansson's peak, so its crazy to give Johansson an advantage.

We don't care about Orlov's even strength points/60. He's not close to as good as McDonagh.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Stepan is not a 2C.

Here are his PPG averages from the last 4 seasons among centers. 31st, 18th, 35th, 13th. The average of that is 24.25. He's also a very good defensive center. He's a top 25 center. I don't know how you get "top 10 2C" from that.

Giving Johansson a points advantage is crazy. Taking into account the last three seasons, Johansson averages less than 2 more points per game over an 82 game season, not to mention Johansson is mostly assists, Kreider has close to an even split. Kreider also doesn't get to leach points off of the best goal scorer in the league. Kreider also has a potential advantage. If he figures it out, he's one of the best players in the league. He hasn't figured it out yet, and he's a borderline top line player. This is probably Johansson's peak, so its crazy to give Johansson an advantage.

We don't care about Orlov's even strength points/60. He's not close to as good as McDonagh.
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Stepan isn't a #1 center that a team can rely on to carry a significant load. He's better categorized as a high-end 2C IMO.
 
No way the Caps do this. Nicky will go down as one the best players to ever play for the caps. He blows Stepan out of the water. I'll take Nicky over Stepan every day of the week. Kreider is a good player but is incredibly inconsistent. I watch a lot of NYR games and he will be incredible for a few games but disappear for the next 10 games. Mojo does the same thing, but his playing style is more helpful to the caps right now than Kreider's. Just because the caps have two 1c players doesn't mean we should trade one them. No from the caps.
 
BiPolar Caps said:
Nicklas Backstrom and Marcus Johansson for Derek Stepan and Chris Kreider.

Backstrom and Stepan both centerman with comparable salaries while Johansson and Kreider two RFAs LWs. Facelift for both teams.
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
No thanks. Backstrom is better than Stepan, but Stepan has a better contract and is younger, so that value is even. That on the surface may be fair, but it doesn't make sense to take an older player. Johansson is good, but not the type of player we should be trading Kreider for.

If we are going to trade players, it should be for younger players. Not to get older.
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This^. Kreider w/Ovie would be beyond belief. Fair value does not cut it, I need a reason above and beyond to surrender him. Would rather extend 8yrs keep w/his salary around 4.

Stepan we can def do something, make me an offer.
Will overlook you are a closeby rival if you have the best return for NY
 
Just wanted to throw in that talking away powerplay points from Backstrom and Stepan leaves the two essentially even in points.

I don't think it's a deal that really makes sense for either team. Backstrom most definitely has chemistry with Ovi. It favors the Rangers, but I also think its lateral in the sense that it doesn't address either team's deficiencies. You're taking established Top-6 centers and enigmatic top-6 wingers and trading them to unfamiliar surroundings where none will fare much better.
 
Raspewtin said:
I don't understand why Washington would do this.
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Suddenly a segment of Caps fans have decided Backstrom is overrated and trading him would be good. I dont get it but with Mike Green, Troy Brouwer and Brooks Laich gone, somebody has to become the heavy. So far its Orpik and Backstrom and Johansson
 
duffy9748 said:
Stepan isn't a #1 center that a team can rely on to carry a significant load. He's better categorized as a high-end 2C IMO.
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It depends what your definition of each 1C, 2C, 3C, 4C is. If its just top 30 is 1C, next 30 2C, next 30 3C, next 30 4C, then Stepan's a 1C.
 
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