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[stator]

Picking 4th for the next 5 years is a sure fire way for us to end up like Buffalo.

I sure hope the Sharks don't end up being another Buffalo.

 

[cheechoo]

I hate rooting for the Sharks to lose. They are far and away my favorite sports team. Picking 4th for the next 5 years is a sure fire way for us to end up like Buffalo.

Of course I want the players to be happy, unfortunately, we have to lose for the rest of the season to expedite the process.

The Sabres have gotten their fairshares worth of lotto luck though. I mean they were historically bad and went all out for McDavid in 2015, still ended up with Eichel who was a #1 overall caliber player most years.

And then they got what was deemed another generational talent and the 'best since McDavid' a few years later when they won Dahlin.

And then they snagged Owen Power a few years back.

Buffalo is where they are due to pure incompetence and lack of insulation for their young players not because of where they have been selecting in the draft.

The Red Wings seem poised to make the playoffs this year with one of the younger rosters and they weren't granted lotto fortune.

Mo Seider 6th ov
Lucas Raymond 4th ov

Are their two young building blocks along with Larkin who was a mid teens pick and then Veleno, Rasmussen and then they're hoping Edvinsson.

The one thing that I really admire about Yzerman is that they're constantly throwing darts at the board. Feels like Detroit are always taking defenseman in the early second and picking more than average in the first three rounds.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

I want to go into the 2024 draft with 4 1st rd picks.

 

[TheBigDrunkPanda]

I sure hope the Sharks don't end up being another Buffalo.

They are well on their way

 

[Bizz]

I know this is somewhat of a hot take, but I wouldn't mind if the Sharks put in a claim for Ryan Johansen.

Can't be any worse than Luke f***ing Kunin centering our 2nd line.

 

[themelkman]

I am All for Mike dumping whoever for whatever. No one he’s going to trade is worth really anything to a good team

 

[TheBigDrunkPanda]

I am All for Mike dumping whoever for whatever. No one he’s going to trade is worth really anything to a good team

Grier has proven to be pretty inept when it comes to trade especially when he’s had the advantage. None of the players he has available to trade are must have individuals which means Griers going to have to sell other GM’s hard on his list of spare parts, I wouldn’t be shocked if no one got moved

 

[themelkman]

Grier has proven to be pretty inept when it comes to trade especially when he’s had the advantage. None of the players he has available to trade are must have individuals which means Griers going to have to sell other GM’s hard on his list of spare parts, I wouldn’t be shocked if no one got moved

I fully agree, I hope he takes what he can get but we know he loves playing hardball for no reason and screwing himself.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Sooo..Being the GM of a major league franchise is EXACTLY like door to door sales…

 

[sharski]

definitely feel like DW did his share of "ok fine... deal, but you owe me" trades with certain franchises... maybe GMMG is still building up that kind of rapport

 

[TheBeard]

I fully agree, I hope he takes what he can get but we know he loves playing hardball for no reason and screwing himself.

Perhaps, but the other way of looking at it is if he can sign Duclair for a two year deal at reasonable money, that's probably infinitely more valuable than a late third in a weak draft.

 

[pappaf2]

Perhaps, but the other way of looking at it is if he can sign Duclair for a two year deal at reasonable money, that's probably infinitely more valuable than a late third in a weak draft.

I’d agree with this. If Duclair will resign for a reasonable deal IMO that’s much better than a 3rd or 4th rounder. When was the last time the sharks drafted anyone as good as Duclair with a 3rd round pick?

 

[Alaskanice]

I’d agree with this. If Duclair will resign for a reasonable deal IMO that’s much better than a 3rd or 4th rounder. When was the last time the sharks drafted anyone as good as Duclair with a 3rd round pick?

I agree with this too. He’s a very good player, a strong advocate in the community and stands for what he believes in. That is a valuable guy in the locker room.

 

[TheBeard]

When was the last time the sharks drafted anyone as good as Duclair?

FTFY

 

[TheBigDrunkPanda]

I fully agree, I hope he takes what he can get but we know he loves playing hardball for no reason and screwing himself.

Yeah I think he knew he blew the Burns and Meir deals then overplayed Karlsson especially if Carolina offered Pesce and Drury like rumored. I think he’ll probably get better over time, but it also seems like GM’s don’t want to work with him and that could just be a respect thing that has to be earned

 

[OrrNumber4]

Yeah I think he knew he blew the Burns and Meir deals then overplayed Karlsson especially if Carolina offered Pesce and Drury like rumored. I think he’ll probably get better over time, but it also seems like GM’s don’t want to work with him and that could just be a respect thing that has to be earned

Never heard this tidbit; perhaps Carolina didn't offer a pick or wanted more retention.

 

[Hodge]

Never heard this tidbit; perhaps Carolina didn't offer a pick or wanted more retention.

You never heard it because he pulled it out of his ass.

 

[TheBeard]

Watching Vegas consistently pull stars makes me realize how f***ing incompetent Doug Wilson was when the team was in win now mode.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

Perhaps, but the other way of looking at it is if he can sign Duclair for a two year deal at reasonable money, that's probably infinitely more valuable than a late third in a weak draft.

No. He needs to let Duclair have a chance to win even if the best offer is only a 7th round pick. The next few years there are going to be opportunities to over pay veterans on a short term deal the flip them to a contender at the deadline. Grier needs to show that he can get these kind of trades done. He can always sign Duclair in the off season if there is mutual interest.

 

[TheBeard]

No. He needs to let Duclair have a chance to win even if the best offer is only a 7th round pick. The next few years there are going to be opportunities to over pay veterans on a short term deal the flip them to a contender at the deadline. Grier needs to show that he can get these kind of trades done. He can always sign Duclair in the off season if there is mutual interest.

Frankly, Grier has done a lot of "favors" for a lot of players and I'm fast realizing being a "players GM" ain't gonna get the job done.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

Frankly, Grier has done a lot of "favors" for a lot of players and I'm fast realizing being a "players GM" ain't gonna get the job done.

There are times that it doesn’t make sense to be a “player’s GM” and this isn’t one of them. Getting a draft pick and giving the player a chance to win the cup is a win for everyone.

 

[TheBeard]

There are times that it doesn’t make sense to be a “player’s GM” and this isn’t one of them. Getting a draft pick and giving the player a chance to win the cup is a win for everyone.

f*** that. Grier needs to play hardball. The markets been set and if Grier develops a reputation as being the GM who'll basically give players away simply so they can chase a cup then perhaps he's not the guy who should be behind our rebuild. Vegas is proving that the best way to handle business is by treating it as such. They've ushered in a new era of how teams succeed.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

f*** that. Grier needs to play hardball. The markets been set and if Grier develops a reputation as being the GM who'll basically give players away simply so they can chase a cup then perhaps he's not the guy who should be behind our rebuild. Vegas is proving that the best way to handle business is by treating it as such. They've ushered in a new era of how teams succeed.

Of course Grier should play hardball to get the best draft pick for him. My point was that he should absolutely trade him for the best deal. He should not decline to trade him and just sign him like you suggested.

 

[TheBeard]

Of course Grier should play hardball to get the best draft pick for him. My point was that he should absolutely trade him for the best deal. He should not decline to trade him and just sign him like you suggested.

I think he needs to have a firm expectation of what the return is and not waver from that.

 

[Alaskanice]

f*** that. Grier needs to play hardball. The markets been set and if Grier develops a reputation as being the GM who'll basically give players away simply so they can chase a cup then perhaps he's not the guy who should be behind our rebuild. Vegas is proving that the best way to handle business is by treating it as such. They've ushered in a new era of how teams succeed.

They have the added no tax situation which will keep players or bring free agents. San Jose has always been a hard sell unless the management takes care of the players.
DW grew San Jose doing it this way. MGGM seems to be of the same ilk. I appreciate that because these guys have families and I think a team should take those type of things into mind.
That kind of stuff gets around. This is why the best players in teal tended to stay here.